Plight of a moderate Muslim

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http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/16/j ... ms-plight/

Discuss.

Similar things have also happened in Christian churches. One guy in my state was thrown out of church because he didn't vote for Bush.

im not afraid of any alqaeda(its fictional but oh well) dude,any wannabe alqaeda its not a muslim.
the majority of muslims are against terrorism of any form and know 911 was an inside job,thats a fact,some still into the alqaeda dream and that they can put islam in the world with violence,but thats the minority and even some dont express it out and rather "dont have an opinion" on the terror subject.

its like saying the video of this jew is like all jews.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f
if its the minority or majority u decide after you check what they have done to the world.

remember that behind closed doors politicians are friends,somewhat like wwf wrestlers...

peace

Moral equivalency = politically correct horsecrap.

Quit being politically correct.

Do you have the link to the article Miftah wrote?

Well, you told us to "discuss," and he's discussing it. Since you seem to object to the idea that Christianity and Islam are roughly analogous, why not elaborate? Which of the two do you think is less despicable and why? I mean, you just kinda dropped a link and told us to discuss it. When do we get your input on the matter?

I've found the article.

http://jewsandmuslims.tribe.net/thread/05d5ad3c-0442-490c-ab24-cd8912683eaa

I guess the Mosque was being overly sensitive to the fact he says mosques fund terrorism.

The Islamic community must be able to say more then "terrorists are not Muslim."

If a Christian said: I must go kill an apostate, I would will condemn it absolutely and without qualification, and we must be willing to stop such a person by any means necessary. Muslims must be willing to do the same with Muslims.

If a significant portion of the Christian community claimed to support violence such as the 9/11 attack, then the Christian community would be have a serious problem to deal with internally. Well, the Muslim community has a serious problem deal with internally, and unfortunately those problems have spiraled out and hit hard not only Muslims (which is bad enough), but members of other religions, and members of no religion at all.

The Islamic community must be able to say more then "terrorists are not Muslim."

If a Christian said: I must go kill an apostate, I would will condemn it absolutely and without qualification, and we must be willing to stop such a person by any means necessary. Muslims must be willing to do the same with Muslims.

If a significant portion of the Christian community claimed to support violence such as the 9/11 attack, then the Christian community would be have a serious problem to deal with internally. Well, the Muslim community has a serious problem deal with internally, and unfortunately those problems have spiraled out and hit hard not only Muslims (which is bad enough), but members of other religions, and members of no religion at all.

islamic discussion....an oppertunity for me to learn!! ! i'm excited.


i'll certainly delight in my return coinciding with this topic.



/finalized my move into california

by the way... i wonder how many USA government red lights have been set off by this innarweb thread?


it's kinda pitiful but the government has been pulled into such petty* discussions before.



*not that our discussions and analysis of such a subject is petty but more petty in the view of psychotic terrorists who would actually blow up stuff in the name of faith or a flawed political ideal.

...I suppose being "moderate" means being open to racial profiling, police surveillance, the erosion of civil liberties....and if you were fortunate enough to live in lebanon during the summer, having your family murdered by Israeli bombers....that's horses**t.

Supporting the american "war on terror" for a muslim is like considering suicide a moderate action.

....hypothetically, if Saddam had attacked the U.S he could have appeal to the "moderate christians" in other western states like Canada and Britain to fight the "radical terrorist christians" of the United States.

...the number of people that have died under Israel's actions(with U.S funding), Pinochet(U.S. backed), the contras in Nicaragua during the 80's, makes the islamic terror argument pretty limp.

I consider moderate in the United States to be simply supporting democracy, respecting the multitude of traditions we have and opposing terrorism. By this definition, the King of Jordan, who is often defined as a moderate, would not make the cut.



Israel is more selective in it's efforts to avoid civilians then the United States. The invasion of southern Lebanon, which was under control of Hezbollah rather then the central government, was perfectly legally due to the fact that rockets were being fired across the border.

Do you have any sources for the accusations of Israeli "murders?" Is it possible that these accusations comes from the numerous false accusations made against Israel?



If a party similar to the Baaths (which are based upon the Nazis) took over the United States, and this party was dominated of say, Southerners, and they massacred (I'm not sure what the exact equivalent is but) 15 million people, and invaded and fought a war against Mexico that killed 15 million more (on both sides), and also tortured their political opponents, raped women in "rape rooms," then I would strongly support an effort by a moderate Muslim power to put into place a more just regime. And anyone who would murder innocent civilians, Christian or not, to prevent the removal of that said barbaric regime, would has no morals what so ever.



I would object more to the United States funding of Egypt's dictatorship or the dictatorship of Saudi Arabia. Israel doesn't go out of massacre thousands or millions of people, certainly not the Palestinians. But the Arabs have! This is because they don't care about the Palestinians. They care about distracting there own people from their own problems with hatred for Israel. Israel doesn't even run the Palestinian territories, and hasn't for years. The Palestinian territories are in the middle of a civil war right now between two factions: one extreme, and one more extreme.

I would love for some Sadat (no saint) to rise and for an independent, peaceful Palestine to rise next to Israel, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.



Yes, we supported him. His predecessor had been backed by the Soviets, you can hardly expect the U.S. to work hard to undermine him.



Really? What was the contras evil ideology. Osama Bin Laden wants to establish a new caliphate across all of America. He speaks of us giving in after 4 million are dead. No threat there. The contras wanted to replace the Communist dictatorship with a democratic government. What is wrong with that? How is that a threat to the United States or the humanity?

I tried to post earlier, but the forums went down and I lost the post... but basically jimservo is saying what I was going to.

Moral reletivaty is the problem here.

When a Muslim commits an unacceptable act, a leftist cannot condemn it.

He may say "well Christianity is just as bad." Maybe so, but there aren't any Christians involved right here, so quit changing the subject.

Maybe he'll drag up some of America's past transgressions. Cunning. Slimy and dishonest too. Why are we talking about the contras in Nicaragua? They have nothing to do with anything right now.

People need a proper context, can you think one one? For one, I think the Mosque is stupidly overreacting, and many other houses of worship do the same thing.

This is the problem with all organized religion. My mother and grandfather were extradited from the mormon church simply because my grandfather didn't support the church on their view of polygamy and my mother wouldn't abandon my grandpa because he was extradited.