alternatives to murder

Post Reply New Topic

I'm seeing all these threads about this murder spree.

It's possible that that guy was here. He could have been one of those guys that comes on making provoking statements then gets banned right away. Or maybe he was someone who posted and we interacted with.

It seems like people with Asperger's are going on more and more killing sprees lately, but why? And what do they hope to accomplish by it it? Really whether you are Autistic or not, killing like that doesn't accomplish anything at all. It mostly makes people hate you.

So what are some healthy alternatives, something that could make a change in the world that they want to see that causes them to kill people?

I was thinking maybe writing a book about their experiences - but the problem is that by the time they get to that point, they can't think straight and they write things like that manifesto, which would only make things worse on him if he tried to publish it before he went on his rampage.

I don't know, I'm trying to think - can we pull together as a community and help people like this?

Media coverage. I doubt the rate of Aspies committing murder has changed much at all, especially over a long period of time vs. a few highly publicized incidents.

But I do think it's a nice thread topic to discuss, coming up with some sort of constructive alternative for people to consider or default to vs. following through with murder. I'm not sure what people in that frame of mind would do instead.. or if they could do anything different once they've "lost it."

more funding towards better mental health services, and a voluntary buddy system set up in every area to check up on vulnerable members of society [not just for any specific diagnosis] and interact with them to make sure they are not isolated,and any concerns shoud then be forwarded straight to a mental health crisis team.

I think you are right goldfish, maybe it is a media thing.

KoR - buddy systems, great idea. I've thought about that before for other things as well since it's not just when we're on the verge of emotional breakdown that we could sometimes use a buddy.

Heh, Video games are a GREAT alternative... At least for the Squid. The Squid has no intention of murdering anyone anytime soon, but we know that if anger or frustration begins to rear it's ugly head, we can express it through causing bodily harm and community destruction in various simulated environments. Games like GTA, CoD, and Battlefield surely couldn't have been so successful if others didn't feel the same way.

yeah-they coud easily get a lot of volunteers willing to drop in on someone,there are lots of people who dont work and want to contribute to society in some way.
perhaps coud give them one off basic training like the samaritans do so they are better equiped to deal with mental stuff and know to spot a possible bad situation,and the buddies coud have their own meet up groups so they can express whatever has been unloaded onto them.
it coud be done purely voluntary if volunteers dont mind paying for their own travel expenses/travel time and if there are any mental health charities that woud offer free training.
-they coud even include currently stable vulnerable people as buddies to,so people coud relate to each other,it woud cut down on a lot of isolation.

I think your point about not focusing just on Autism is important also - however, there are some things specific to Autism that would need to be addressed.

I was watching this video of the guy's neighbor describing him. The neighbor is saying how the killer wrote about wanting friends, but he really didn't. He says that he tried to include him in things where there were girls, but the killer (sorry I don't know is name) wouldn't make any effort.

I think that is one of the MAJOR problems that leads people to commit these kinds of acts. This vicious cycle where you want to have friends, but you are rejected over and over so you start to not trust people, then they misinterpret your mistrust as not wanting to have friends. What is more frustrating than having somebody say you are all alone because you want to be, when you don't want to be?

So then the cycle continues, their behavior towards you causes you to treat them a way and then your behavior toward them causes them to treat you a way and all the time, nobody really knows anybody.

To top that off we have other problem that add to this such as sensory overload and sometimes gastro problems (when I had IBS it really caused some horrible social problems).

But I think if we could find ways to help people deal with these problems before during and after crisis, it would really make a difference. Because even if we could find buddies, if the buddies felt that the person didn't want contact when that person really did want contact, it would cause problems.

Anyway, here's the video if you haven't seen it (it's on the front page of CNN).

CNN Story

Being on the spectrum causes IBS? Geesh, that is the first I heard of that and have been a suffer for a very long time. Since I have been unemployed and unable to work, it has mysteriously subsided. No clue as to why unless it is the reduction in stress not forcing myself to look somewhat normal in the real world?

NOpe, doesn't cause it, but all kinds of gastro problems are linked to Autism. Mine were largely (but not entirely) taken care of when I stopped eating wheat. A lot of other people find they have allergies to dairy. But yeah, stress always exacerbates them.

A wonderful thought, but extremely difficult to execute.

Take the Downtown East Side of Vancouver for example. While it's part of an extremely wealthy city filled with multi-million dollar homes/condos, it's Canada's poorest postal code & home to a large percentage of people with mental health & drug addiction problems. Not only a large percentage of Vancouver's homeless/mental/addicts, nor of British Columbia's, but of all of Canada's because we have the most moderate climate in the entire country and street people very rarely die from cold in the Winter or heat in the Summer. The neighbourhood is being rebuilt and young professionals are moving in, but thousands of people here that should have info about them forwarded straight to a mental health crisis team on any given day. There simply aren't the resources to handle the problem properly. Between government, churches, and charities $1M per day gets spent here trying to help people and clean up the neighbourhood and little has changed in many years. There has been some progress in some areas, yes, but the need for funding for stuff like this FAR outweighs our ability to pay.

However, it's possible with different approaches to help & treatments, that same $1M/day could be more effectively used to fix the problems and investments in the right sorts of prevention programs could reduce costs etc.. Some of these things are slowly being done today, but overall mental health issues are an extremely expensive thing to get under control and there isn't* funding available for it.

*until our governments stop wasting all of our money on killing people via warfare and all the other stupid things they spend our money on instead of us.

when i feel like killing someone, i get an ice cream or if it's bedtime, i chill with 1/2 tsp. powdered ginger in sweetened warm milk. everything seems better after a good night's sleep.

What I don't like is anymore its becoming commonplace to say anyone who murders is an autistic and an aspie. makes me concerned of future mistreatment of my son and me and others like us because of those labels. its starting to make me wish we were never tested/labeled. as far as I am concerned and by what I have seen, yes autistics can get vary socially frustrated, but for the most part were vary peaceful, if anything were more prone to being abused then to be the abusers.

Yes, most people who are stressed out or even headed to crisis, will not even consider killing other people and it would be great if we could help all of them. I guess I am just responding to all this murder hysteria, but yeah we wouldn't limit it to potential killers.

So is this the Autistics Who Don't Want to Kill Anyone Society then? I'll join.

Personally, I think some people are evil. To a certain extent the paths we choose in life effect our psyche, but ultimately everyone has to choose between evil and good and that comes from who we are. I think there a lot of factors contributing to the killer's choice to act as he did and they should all be considered, but ultimately sometimes people are going to choose evil and there's no foolproof way to stop it.

I agree with you Ann. I think a lot of people who don't chose to kill are plain evil also!

Great name for our society!

It's the other way around. Autism doesn't cause IBS, but the root cause of IBS causes/exacerbates Autism symptoms.