Scientists Find Huge Underground Ocean

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Geophysicists say they have discovered an immense water reservoir deep below the Earth?s surface?a find which Christian scientists say could be an affirmation of a verse in the biblical Great Flood account.

On Thursday, researchers with Northwestern University and the University of New Mexico announced the discovery of a vast underground ocean several miles beneath the Earth?s surface. Though the scientists cannot immediately verify their claims, they remain confident about their conclusions.

?Northwestern geophysicist Steve Jacobsen and University of New Mexico seismologist Brandon Schmandt have found deep pockets of magma located about 400 miles beneath North America, a likely signature of the presence of water at these depths,? explains a press release from Northwestern University.

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http://christiannews.net/2014/06/17/fou ... und-ocean/


Genesis 7:11-12
(11 ) In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
(12 ) And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

Oceans of water, found deeply under the surface of the Earth. Recorded in a book written some 4,000 years ago.

Lucky guess.

Does it hell as like. Sounds like Thomas is talking out of his arse. It is known the water on earth came from comets and other solar system debris after the earth cooled sufficiently after its formation to harbour liquid water, plus the water that oozed out from deep within the earth over many millions of years. The evidence now indicates that the major source of the earth's oceans is the water that slowly emerged from deep within the planet as it cooled, rather than the cometary contribution. There is no shortage of water in the universe.

Regarding the rest of your post it has long been thought that there are vast reserves of water trapped in the minerals below the surface of the earth as a natural part of the processes of tectonic plate movement over billions of years causing subduction of water from the oceans. We have now discovered one of these water bearing minerals and are now several steps closer to understanding the processes of ocean formation.

Try reading this scientific article rather than the creationist propaganda version:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core.html

When the scientists refer to "oceans" below the surface of the earth they are not literally talking about oceans in the sense everyone thinks of i.e. the vast oceans of water as on the surface of the planet, they are talking about water that is trapped inside minerals and there are "oceans" worth of water trapped there.

When creationists leap on the bandwagon and talk about "Oceans" you are falsely implying there is free roaming water deep within the earth, ready to suddenly leak out and flood the planet. There isn't, it is just creationists adding propaganda/spin on top. You really aught to learn science from reputable sources not from the misinformation that they call science on creationist websites.

The deep earth water cycle is associated with the movement of the earth's mantle, the plates moving over billions of years and the movement of water below the earth's crust where there is subduction of the plates and water again emerging via volcanic and other major seismic activity. These are slow processes lasting billions of years.

Creationists are dishonest; they keep churning out false science, misinformation and propaganda like this and there are always some suckers who are scientifically illiterate and ready to swallow all their crap, like the OP.

Two of the world?s deepest drill holes are on the Kola Peninsula in northern Russia and in Germany?s northeastern Bavaria. They were drilled to depths of 7.6 miles and 5.7 miles, respectively. Deep in the Russian hole, to everyone?s surprise, was hot, salty water flowing through crushed granite.

Yevgeny A. Kozlovsky, ?Kola Super-Deep: Interim Results and Prospects,? Episodes, Vol. 5, No. 4, 1982, pp. 9?11.

So? They've found hot wet granite at a shallow depth inside the earth's crust. That doesn't surprise me at all. They haven't found any underground oceans and 7 miles underground is barely a scratch in the earth's surface. The information you have based your opening post on relates to the water bound up in the mineral called ringwoodite at a depth of 700 kilometres below the surface - it is not a free ocean as your brash thread title implies.

This isn't new.

Indeed a good explanation of "Noah's Flood" is that the Earth got hit by a good sized meteor (or several) which triggered a massive seismic event. If massive eruptions happened, a lot of water via steam would have been released. This would super-saturate the atmosphere...causing unnaturally long rain on a global scale. The upheaval could have changed ocean floors and continent placement/altitudes. The end result could also have changed global weather patterns (supposedly it never rained before the Flood) because of the impact on the ecosystem and how the planet recovered.

Studies of the moon show that the dark side is entirely different from the "light side" (the side we see). The only explanation for this scientists have is that something happened while the dark side was facing the event (e.g., a massive meteor storm).

I don't get the impression anyone really read the OP.

"Vast underground ocean" hardly sounds like water elements bound in solids, does it?

Did you actually read the report to know what they actually said? (I didn't, just for the record. But I accept "vast underground ocean" as a phrase having a precise meaning.)

Are you saying these researchers are NOT saying there is a "vast underground ocean" several miles below the Earth's surface?

Correct. They are saying there is an amount of water locked up in minerals deep inside the earth equivalent to that of several ocean's worth of water. Some news sites and creationist websites have used hyperbole and translated this in the same erroneous way you have in your thread title; which is misleading to say the least... but hey, it is an attention grabbing headline even if it is false.

The "Vast underground ocean" claim is made by the Creationist website you linked to, not the two scientists (Steve Jacobsen and Brandon Schmandt).

If you follow the link from the very article you posted in the OP, you'll find a press release from EurekAlert quoting the two scientists. This is way it said:


http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 061114.php

Furthermore, the scientific article published in Science mentioned in the OP does not use the words "oceans" to describe the water content at all:
https://gsecars.uchicago.edu/sites/gsec ... ePaper.pdf

"The water is hidden inside a blue rock called ringwoodite that lies 700 kilometres underground in the mantle, the layer of hot rock between Earth's surface and its core."

Learn to read, sir.

That could very well have happened, but there is no evidence that it happened during the Biblical timeline. From what I know the major impacts were all much longer ago.

Several years ago they found Hobbit-people, Homo floresiensis. This is clearly evidence that the Tolkienologists were right all along. Our earth is the same as Middle-earth! Other evidence to support this claim:

- The Elves are said to have slowly faded away till no one could see them. I see no elves around these days.
- The Numenoreans used to live hundreds of years, but their lifespan has decreased. Now they seldom live over a hundred years. I don't see many centenarians, do you?
- The earth used to be flat, but then it was bent so it is a sphere now. Even scientists agree it is a sphere!
- The Ents are speaking trees. Even today, there are people who talk to trees. I'm not sure they actually talk back these days.

Hooday, I redacted some of the content in your post, as you quoted an article in full. Please also see the PM I sent you.

I personally prefer the Silmarillion to the bible.

I was reading The Silmarillion one time, when a conservative Christian friend walked into the room. He asked: "Why are you reading that? It's all nonsense." I had to restrain myself from making a comment about him reading the Bible.
But really, I wouldn't mind if The Silmarillion were true. It means that when humans die, they get to leave the earth and be free. It seems a pretty nice cosmology to live in. No mention of hell, no mention of religious rules, and you still get an afterlife. People are even free to choose the evil side. I wouldn't mind being a Hobbit or a Numenorean. Choosing the time of your death seems nice too.
I'm rereading LotR now, and reading the Poetic Edda, which inspired parts of Middle-earth. Many of the Dwarves names come from the Edda, and the riddles game from The Hobbit is somewhat similar to the riddles game Odin has with a giant (ending with a question the other person can't know the answer to). There is also quite a bit of foretelling in it.

Maybe one day we'll be mining the Earth for water.

And there goes the OP.