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Zylon
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25 Jul 2014, 7:42 pm

The gender I put in my profile is the gender of my body. The profile forced me to say male or female. However, I am not my body; I am my mind. My mind does not have a gender. In every case, anyone discriminating me because of the gender of my body has hurt me. My life has been ruined by the gender of my body. I am asexual in any practical sense and do not have sexual perception.

1. I am very affectionately nurturing by nature (female)
2. I am very mathematical minded (male)
3. I am all cooperation and no competition (female)
4. I socially much prefer to be with females, but do not desire any sex with them (female)
5. I do not go for physical things, such as sports (female)
6. I feel like an alien with males or females (neither)
7. I am interested in deep science and philosophy (male)

So, am I male or female?



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25 Jul 2014, 9:44 pm

Zylon wrote:
My life has been ruined by the gender of my body.


How?

Also, your list is gender stereotyping. Men can be nurses, and women can be math professors.


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26 Jul 2014, 12:51 am

Don't put yourself in a corner by trying to label yourself. Some people feel decidedly female or male, which is perfectly ok. But if you don't feel like either, there is no need to try to fit into one category or the other. You are like me, in that you identify more with your mind than your body.



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26 Jul 2014, 1:03 am

I'm not labeling myself; the world is labeling me. If I would be treated better relative to my mind and heart if I were the opposite gender than what my body says I am, should I insist that I am the gender of my mind? In reality, if I claim to be the gender opposite my body, people would think I am crazy, even delusional. Unless I could back it up by people agreeing that I should say the gender of my mind instead of my body.
On this forum, where we must choose in our profile what gender we are, am I allowed to choose the gender of my mind without being considered a liar? Is it OK for my avatar to be a different gender than my body? If directly asked what my gender is, what should I say?



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26 Jul 2014, 1:24 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
Zylon wrote:
My life has been ruined by the gender of my body.


How?

Also, your list is gender stereotyping. Men can be nurses, and women can be math professors.


Can women become a "Big Brother" (a mentoring program for boys), and can men become a "Big Sister" ( a mentoring program for girls)?
In a forum for depression, I was getting pretty good support until I revealed what gender by body was. Then I was immediately banned from the forum just for using the word "love", which, to females, had a completely different meaning depending on what gender is saying the word..
I am strongly judged by the gender of my body, and in every case it was a destructive judgment.



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26 Jul 2014, 12:56 pm

Zylon wrote:

Can women become a "Big Brother" (a mentoring program for boys), and can men become a "Big Sister" ( a mentoring program for girls)?


Not likely.

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In a forum for depression, I was getting pretty good support until I revealed what gender by body was. Then I was immediately banned from the forum just for using the word "love", which, to females, had a completely different meaning depending on what gender is saying the word.
I am strongly judged by the gender of my body, and in every case it was a destructive judgment.


As a female you would be negatively judged too. Many men would view you as inferior.


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26 Jul 2014, 3:23 pm

But I would not have been banned from the forum. And I could become a Big Sister.
Most of the people on that forum were female, and females are not associated with being sex abusers or beaters as males are. Females can talk about love to other females without an automatic sexual connotation. Females can prefer to be with other females without suspicion.
There is no harm to me to be judged as inferior by men. As a female I would have little to do with men anyway .



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26 Jul 2014, 7:41 pm

So you propose you want to be a woman so you can be accepted on a female-only forum ? Or is there more to this?


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27 Jul 2014, 1:50 am

It was not a female-only forum. "Most" does not mean "all". I would guess about two thirds of them were female and one third were male. But they perceived everything I said differently when I told them I was "male". Then they perceived everything I said wrong. For example, does "love" mean caring (female) or sex (male) when said to a female? I meant caring. Explaining it to them was not enough to quell their prejudice.
Also, I never said I wanted to be a woman. I am a genderless child. Well, inside I am.



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27 Jul 2014, 2:02 am

I know what you mean. I am a gay male who is happily male. But I really hate it when people try to interpret my words and actions based on my gender. They have expectations of you because you are male/female. People are very prejudiced. Although many people claim to support gender equality etc, they see the world/people through their colored lenses.



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31 Jul 2014, 9:37 am

I identify as non-binary as well, androgynous/genderfluid. I've been wearing androgynous clothing and makeup lately, I'm also on a low dose of estrogen. I feel better and more like myself now because of it. Women that I meet in person seem more relaxed around me and nicer to me now. Men seem to treat me different as well, I'd say rudely but it's more like they are treating me as beneath them.

Only you can figure out your own gender.. I suggest you find a therapist that specializes with gender issues to help you work through these and figure out who you are. Also consider going on a hormone-blocker, it might help clear your head some.

Agendered and Neutrois are terms for one without a gender, could probably find a lot of information by just googleing.



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31 Jul 2014, 9:38 am

http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/ Might be able to find a therapist at that site.

For online support forums here is a couple that might help.
http://www.susans.org/forums/ Has a non-binary section
http://www.bigender.net/forum/ Doesn't just get used by bigendered people, non-binary people their as well.



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31 Jul 2014, 9:59 am

Your personality is not the same thing as your gender identity so the majority of the things on your list don't really say anything about your gender. They just say whether or not you have a stereotypically masculine or feminine personality. It's complicated I know. For me I just feel more comfortable identifying as female. It feels weird to identify as male.

The one point on your list that has the most weight is feeling alien from both males and females. It suggests that maybe you're non-binary but I can't tell you that at all let alone from just one statement. It's yours to figure out. A therapist can help with that but it's about you.

And there should be additional gender options on this website. It's been brought up before but nothing has changed.



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31 Jul 2014, 6:19 pm

seaturtleisland wrote:
Your personality is not the same thing as your gender identity so the majority of the things on your list don't really say anything about your gender. They just say whether or not you have a stereotypically masculine or feminine personality. It's complicated I know. For me I just feel more comfortable identifying as female. It feels weird to identify as male.

The one point on your list that has the most weight is feeling alien from both males and females. It suggests that maybe you're non-binary but I can't tell you that at all let alone from just one statement. It's yours to figure out. A therapist can help with that but it's about you.

And there should be additional gender options on this website. It's been brought up before but nothing has changed.


I have no trouble myself with gender; I have no gender, nothing about that bothers or confuses me at all. The problem is with OTHER people who have a prejudice against me because of the gender of my body. My question "what gender am I" is more on the order of "can I say that I am not a man, even though I have the body of a man, without lying?" to people who are prejudiced against men.



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31 Jul 2014, 6:27 pm

Trowkin wrote:
Only you can figure out your own gender.. I suggest you find a therapist that specializes with gender issues to help you work through these and figure out who you are. Also consider going on a hormone-blocker, it might help clear your head some.

Agendered and Neutrois are terms for one without a gender, could probably find a lot of information by just googleing.


I know exactly who I am. It is other people, "the world", who do not know who I am. My body is strongly gendered, but my mind has no gender.



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31 Jul 2014, 11:13 pm

Zylon wrote:
seaturtleisland wrote:
Your personality is not the same thing as your gender identity so the majority of the things on your list don't really say anything about your gender. They just say whether or not you have a stereotypically masculine or feminine personality. It's complicated I know. For me I just feel more comfortable identifying as female. It feels weird to identify as male.

The one point on your list that has the most weight is feeling alien from both males and females. It suggests that maybe you're non-binary but I can't tell you that at all let alone from just one statement. It's yours to figure out. A therapist can help with that but it's about you.

And there should be additional gender options on this website. It's been brought up before but nothing has changed.


I have no trouble myself with gender; I have no gender, nothing about that bothers or confuses me at all. The problem is with OTHER people who have a prejudice against me because of the gender of my body. My question "what gender am I" is more on the order of "can I say that I am not a man, even though I have the body of a man, without lying?" to people who are prejudiced against men.


It's not lying if that's how you identify. People might not believe you but it's not lying.

Why are you so worried about prejudice against men anyway? It's no worse than the prejudice against other genders. I feel a bit like I'm reading the post of an MRA even though I'm not.