wow. ok. I responded as I did because I wanted to indicate that what you said was, in fact, ignorant [it was and still is]. Then I stepped away because I felt it was also implicitly insulting- whether you intended it to be or not- so I thought I could use some space before explaining why. But I thought indicating in the immediate that there might be a problem with what you wrote was pretty important.
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All right...why is it ignorant?
Why do you speak rough with me? I don't speak rough with you.
Ignorance is WILLFUL. Perhaps I have a LACK OF KNOWLEDGE about something. I'm not IGNORANT.
Please note that I did not state that
you are ignorant but that what you wrote was an ignorant statement. That is, you wrote something demonstrating you have little knowledge of the subject at hand. [To be ignorant of a subject is to lack knowledge of it, as you said- it does not need to be willful in nature.]
I didn't necessarily respond the way I did to be mean, but I did respond abruptly, yes. What you wrote suggests that anyone who used an Individualized Education Plan obtained an education not of equal quality to that of those who did not implement such a plan.
...which is in this case an ignorant notion.
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I've always spoken respectfully to you. Please do the same for me.
I don't learn when people are rough with me.
...you seem to
think you have been addressing people respectfully. I am trying to inform you that this may be at times an incorrect assumption at this point.
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WHAT'S WRONG WITH ADVOCATING THAT SOMEONE GET A REAL DIPLOMA?????????
What's wrong with advising someone to ignore idiots who think they're of subnormal intelligence?
Nothing. If that is actually what you are doing.
Being in a special education program doesn't necessarily mean that the person is of "subnormal intelligence" and the fact that you are assuming it does actually adds to the stigma of these programs- which are helpful and often essential for the complete success of
all students with varying disabilities.
The assumption that "special education=stupid" is pervasive, even amongst educators, unfourtunately. That is likely one reason that serena is having trouble getting into a program and getting an IEP. Even though, if she has a diagnosed condition,
she has a right to these things under the law.
Getting a high school degree with the implementation of an IEP doesn't degrade the value of the diploma.
I had an IEP through most of school and into high school- know what it was at that point? Basically, I had to have written instructions regarding homework and class assignments and be allowed a separate room to take my exams.
I graduated with ~3.83 and took AP classes [and the AP exams].
That was a "real" diploma.
When I got into college/university it was a different system and I arranged accommodations there as well but I still had to do the work.
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Perhaps you misinterpreted my post?
I don't believe I did. Is it possible you may have been misinformed about the subject matter though?
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