I hate conspiracy theories

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Evil_Chuck
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18 Dec 2014, 1:46 pm

These things really bother me. I feel depressed every time I hear them because they're clearly total nonsense but people just won't stop talking about them. 9/11, JFK, the Illuminati--none of them are believable. People subscribe to them like religions and refuse to let go. And like religions, they are convoluted and somewhat desperate attempts to explain things when the real answer (or lack of one) isn't good enough for us.

There's no reason why 9/11 couldn't have happened exactly the way they said: terrorists hijacking planes under a careless Bush Administration. I believe they were slow to act on intelligence about Al-Qaeda (because there's actually evidence for that), but not that they wanted something bad to happen. There's no reason why a crazy, ignorant hick couldn't have assassinated the President by himself. And there's no reason why there has to be a secret society of rich people (aliens/shape-shifters or otherwise) controlling the direction of the country when folks like Rupert Murdoch exist right out in the open.

I think people are wasting their time on this stuff. And why can't they stop talking about Jews? Positive, negative, I don't even care anymore, they need to give it a rest. No one wants to hear this crap. They're just another religion, that's it. I've met Jews only once in my life. They were rabbis; they were fine. There was nothing particularly good or bad about them.

At least Aspies recognize their obsessions for what they are and don't publicize them. :? For example, I am fixated on Anne Heche, Watergate, and the Sega Dreamcast. But I don't start a blog propagating the theory that a 3-year-old Anne Heche was one of the Watergate burglars and an authoritarian nutcase who sabotaged the Dreamcast as a spy for Sony to force Sega out of the console market and move the entertainment industry one step closer to oligarchy. (Her Hollywood movie career and relationship with Ellen DeGeneres was just a cover for this; that's why neither lasted very long.) Nor do I go viral with this ludicrous fantasy and rave about it to everyone I meet. Why others do, I'll never know.

I just wanted to get that off my chest.


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18 Dec 2014, 4:45 pm

I suspect its a kind of tendency or addiction, either due to some innate characteristic or learned. Besides individuals, it is said certain populations/cultures are prone to it.

I don't chase one after another to get a fix, but will stop and examine something if I think there is a real possibility.

Just a small technical correction. Oswald may have been a crazed ignorant hick. But he also was ex-military, active politically, pro-communist, defected to Russia and returned from Russia. He had to interact with others to do these things. He may have acted alone, but there is enough there to at least question it. His assassination in turn - by a crazed petty gangster? who then dies in jail from a medical condition - just added to the suspicious circumstances.



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18 Dec 2014, 5:49 pm

First of all - I know it's off-topic but I really like your choice of username. He truly was one of a kind. R.I.P. (for those who don't know what or who I'm talking about - none other than the late, great Chuck Schuldiner of the classic metal band Death!)

Now that I got that out of the way, I can understand where you come from. I hate conspiracy theorists more than I do the actual theories - I will admit, some of them are pretty entertaining and maybe even plausible, but I personally think anyone who honestly believes that, oh, for example, "the President of the United States is a Jewish reptilian communist who's going to take away everyone's marijuana-powered assault rifles" (I made that up on the fly) or some s**t like that can just piss off. Yeah, screw that.

I feel like a lot of these conspiracy theorists are nothing more than attention whores and hate-mongers who are hopelessly paranoid, pushing a fundamentally sadistic and bigoted agenda, and more mentally ill than any aspie or individual with an ASD. They are the ones who deserve to be locked up - or better yet, I wish a global Satanic socialist theocracy would rise up and just make all their dreams come true. If you know what I mean.

I know it's probably little help, but I think one of the most basic human needs is to relate to someone's feelings or experience, and if you can relate to what I feel (because I sure can relate to how you feel!) then I feel like I've made somebody's day better.

Essentially, people who don't want to seek out the truth find some kind of comforting explanation and wallow in it.


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18 Dec 2014, 7:34 pm

I don't "hate" conspiracy theories. In fact, I don't care what other people believe. What they believe hasn't yet affected me. Republicans call Democratic ideas "conspiracies theories" (remember Hillary's "vast right-wing conspiracy"?) and Democrats call Republican ideas "conspiracies theories" (remember Hillary's "vast right-wing conspiracy"?)

Can we at least admit that conspiracies exist? The Lincoln Assassination, the Gulf of Tonkin Affair, the Watergate scandal and Enron were all conspiracies because they were groups of people agreeing together to act illegally. That is all a conspiracy is. Simple?

Knowing that much make conspiracies much less "spooky and scary," doesn't it? Now, how many conspiracies which fit the description can we identify here? Add to my list.


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18 Dec 2014, 7:41 pm

People would rather believe a complex lie than even try to understand a simple truth.



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18 Dec 2014, 9:55 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
Can we at least admit that conspiracies exist?

Indeed they do.



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21 Dec 2014, 6:30 am

TheTrueMayhem wrote:
First of all - I know it's off-topic but I really like your choice of username. He truly was one of a kind. R.I.P. (for those who don't know what or who I'm talking about - none other than the late, great Chuck Schuldiner of the classic metal band Death!)

Now that I got that out of the way, I can understand where you come from. I hate conspiracy theorists more than I do the actual theories - I will admit, some of them are pretty entertaining and maybe even plausible, but I personally think anyone who honestly believes that, oh, for example, "the President of the United States is a Jewish reptilian communist who's going to take away everyone's marijuana-powered assault rifles" (I made that up on the fly) or some s**t like that can just piss off. Yeah, screw that.

I feel like a lot of these conspiracy theorists are nothing more than attention whores and hate-mongers who are hopelessly paranoid, pushing a fundamentally sadistic and bigoted agenda, and more mentally ill than any aspie or individual with an ASD. They are the ones who deserve to be locked up - or better yet, I wish a global Satanic socialist theocracy would rise up and just make all their dreams come true. If you know what I mean.

I know it's probably little help, but I think one of the most basic human needs is to relate to someone's feelings or experience, and if you can relate to what I feel (because I sure can relate to how you feel!) then I feel like I've made somebody's day better.

Essentially, people who don't want to seek out the truth find some kind of comforting explanation and wallow in it.

That does make me feel better. Thank you. And it's great to meet a fellow Schuldiner fan! :skull:

Fnord wrote:
People would rather believe a complex lie than even try to understand a simple truth.

I also find this to be the case.

In response to AspieUtah, of course we can agree that real conspiracies exist and are quite common around the world. The real ones tend to be simpler and far less dramatic than the unsubstantiated and agenda-driven theories I'm referring to such as that the government was responsible for 9/11, the moon landing was a hoax, and that George Carlin was killed by the Illuminati.


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21 Dec 2014, 6:57 am

The issue I take with conspiracy theories is the culture that's formed around it. It seems the people who believe one, believe them all, and believe the government is out to control us. It's really more a hobby for some people. The internet takes it to such extremes, my facebook news feed showed "Race war in america? What are they distracting you from? Obama wants your guns!" that's a slight exaggeration, but you get it :?


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21 Dec 2014, 4:03 pm

9/11 was an inside job. If you live an evidence based life, the proof is overwhelming. Pilots for 9/11 truth have PROVEN IN COURT, that it is aerodynamically impossible to fly jumbo jets into skyscrapers. Engineers for 9/11 truth have proven in peer review journals that nano-thermite explosives WERE USED to bring the twin towers down.

Is it a co-incidence that 'the plane', (which was likely actually a missile or a drone), struck on the GROUND FLOOR of the pentagon in the budget analysis office one day after 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS was announced missing from the pentagon's accounting books on Sept.10th, 2001?

Enough time has passed that some people have gone through every video, and all of the sound recordings of this event, frame by frame, soundbite by soundbite, and they have PROVED that all of the televised video's of the event were faked- people believe what they see on TV !?

You have to look to motive. In 2001 the US was victorious, they had no enemies. You don't need a 500 billion dollars a year military industrial complex if you have no enemies. A peace dividend was imminent. They needed to create an invisible enemy, (terrorism), which can never be defeated; war and conflict forever to maintain their funding.

I only feel sorry for those who created this event, they are spiritually poor. They need to be forgiven at some point after liberty and truth has been publicly revealed.

This is not conspiracy theory- it is conspiracy fact !


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21 Dec 2014, 4:06 pm

Repent wrote:
9/11 was an inside job. If you live an evidence based life, the proof is overwhelming. Pilots for 9/11 truth have PROVEN IN COURT, that it is aerodynamically impossible to fly jumbo jets into skyscrapers. Engineers for 9/11 truth have proven in peer review journals that nano-thermite explosives WERE USED to bring the twin towers down.

Is it a co-incidence that 'the plane', (which was likely actually a missile or a drone), struck on the GROUND FLOOR of the pentagon in the budget analysis office one day after 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS was announced missing from the pentagon's accounting books on Sept.10th, 2001?

Enough time has passed that some people have gone through every video, and all of the sound recordings of this event, frame by frame, soundbite by soundbite, and they have PROVED that all of the televised video's of the event were faked- people believe what they see on TV !?

You have to look to motive. In 2001 the US was victorious, they had no enemies. You don't need a 500 billion dollars a year military industrial complex if you have no enemies. A peace dividend was imminent. They needed to create an invisible enemy, (terrorism), which can never be defeated; war and conflict forever to maintain their funding.

I only feel sorry for those who created this event, they are spiritually poor. They need to be forgiven at some point after liberty and truth has been publicly revealed.

This is not conspiracy theory- it is conspiracy fact !


What are your sources



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21 Dec 2014, 4:28 pm

PlainsAspie wrote:
...What are your sources

Well, I will pony up for the military-grade thermite claim by offering the link to the study that states that:

The Open Chemical Physics Journal wrote:
...we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.

Harrit, N.H., et al. "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe." February 13, 2009.
http://www.benthamopen.com/tocpj/articl ... 7TOCPJ.pdf

My personal copy of the study was signed by Steven E. Jones, the former Brigham Young University professor who helped collect and analyze the dust samples from Manhattan residents. BYU subsequently terminated its employment of Jones when his initial studies were announced. This study recruited the assistance of eight other researchers led by Niels H. Harrit of the University of Copenhagen Department of Chemistry.

It is a relatively brief and easy read.


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21 Dec 2014, 5:45 pm

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There's no reason why 9/11 couldn't have happened exactly the way they said: terrorists hijacking planes under a careless Bush Administration. I believe they were slow to act on intelligence about Al-Qaeda (because there's actually evidence for that), but not that they wanted something bad to happen.

This "official story" is a conspiracy theory anyway.
It's virtually impossible to explain 9/11 without conspiracy. The issue is more what better fits ALL of the known facts.



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21 Dec 2014, 7:05 pm

It's just a coincedence that Oswald got the job at the school book depository a few weeks before the motorcade route was announced :)



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21 Dec 2014, 7:24 pm

A fiction writer sells lies to others.

A conspiracy creator sells lies to both himself and others.



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21 Dec 2014, 7:35 pm

Syd wrote:
A fiction writer sells lies to others.

A conspiracy creator sells lies to both himself and others.

I believe that at least eight individuals conspired in 1865 to assassinate U.S. President Lincoln. Does that make me a "conspiracy theorist?"


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21 Dec 2014, 8:00 pm

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Pilots for 9/11 truth have PROVEN IN COURT, that it is aerodynamically impossible to fly jumbo jets into skyscrapers.

How come a airplane can't crash into a skyscraper, it don't make sense to me. A jumbo jet can fly that low it need to do it with sufficient accuracy to able to land. What court!? Must not have been a official court.

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Is it a co-incidence that 'the plane', (which was likely actually a missile or a drone), struck on the GROUND FLOOR of the pentagon in the budget analysis office one day after 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS was announced missing from the pentagon's accounting books on Sept.10th, 2001?

I don't know what are your sources, but I never heard about a 2.3 trillions dollars hole in Pentagon budget; not like it's something easily missing by the way. Also, how come you can't fly a airplane (A drone is a telecommanded airplane.) in a skyscraper but you can in the Pentagon?

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Enough time has passed that some people have gone through every video, and all of the sound recordings of this event, frame by frame, soundbite by soundbite, and they have PROVED that all of the televised video's of the event were faked- people believe what they see on TV !?

2001 special effects were not good enough to fake heavy smoke convincely, even on video of VHS quality. You also seem to forget there were thousand of witness; were they part of the conspiracy too!?