Aspergers/Autism: The next Evolution?

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16 Mar 2007, 6:21 pm

I don't know if this theory's been passed out lately or before here, but I had this interesting notion...

Right now, technology is making it such that there is beginning to be less and less actual face time within other people. As such, it makes me wonder if we're an adaptation for this, that eventually, humans will never make physical contact, and those who need it will be driven mad, and those who don't will survive.

Not to insult NTs or anything, but it makes you think that maybe there is a reason for the existence of Auties and Aspies...Anyone have similar thoughts?



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16 Mar 2007, 6:25 pm

I just read that autism, autistic spectrum disorders, and aperger's syndrome are the result of missing genes, not a mutation. So no, we are not the next step in evolution.



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16 Mar 2007, 6:30 pm

new_guy_64 wrote:
I just read that autism, autistic spectrum disorders, and aperger's syndrome are the result of missing genes, not a mutation. So no, we are not the next step in evolution.


HOW do they know? ****THEY DON'T**** Even if true, who is to say the "added" genes aren't a bad mutation? ***NOBODY***

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16 Mar 2007, 6:43 pm

new_guy_64 wrote:
I just read that autism, autistic spectrum disorders, and aperger's syndrome are the result of missing genes, not a mutation. So no, we are not the next step in evolution.


True, but wouldn't it have been as a result of mutation that the genes are missing?



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16 Mar 2007, 6:49 pm

Guardeleon wrote:
I don't know if this theory's been passed out lately or before here, but I had this interesting notion...

Right now, technology is making it such that there is beginning to be less and less actual face time within other people. As such, it makes me wonder if we're an adaptation for this, that eventually, humans will never make physical contact, and those who need it will be driven mad, and those who don't will survive.

Not to insult NTs or anything, but it makes you think that maybe there is a reason for the existence of Auties and Aspies...Anyone have similar thoughts?


Awesome idea! It actually makes since, at least to me. I first heard something like this on that Aspergia site. How can we know for sure if this isn't an adaptation to the times we live in? It certainly makes sense, given that context, IMP.


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16 Mar 2007, 6:52 pm

Guardeleon wrote:
I don't know if this theory's been passed out lately or before here, but I had this interesting notion...

Right now, technology is making it such that there is beginning to be less and less actual face time within other people. As such, it makes me wonder if we're an adaptation for this, that eventually, humans will never make physical contact, and those who need it will be driven mad, and those who don't will survive.

Not to insult NTs or anything, but it makes you think that maybe there is a reason for the existence of Auties and Aspies...Anyone have similar thoughts?


Read "The Naked Sun" by Isaak Asimov. Here he describes the Solarians as a society of isolated
technocratic hermits who only interact with one another via view screens or videophones.
This novel was written in 1956. For more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Sun



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16 Mar 2007, 7:00 pm

we're missing genes? :O



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16 Mar 2007, 7:00 pm

richie wrote:
Guardeleon wrote:
I don't know if this theory's been passed out lately or before here, but I had this interesting notion...

Right now, technology is making it such that there is beginning to be less and less actual face time within other people. As such, it makes me wonder if we're an adaptation for this, that eventually, humans will never make physical contact, and those who need it will be driven mad, and those who don't will survive.

Not to insult NTs or anything, but it makes you think that maybe there is a reason for the existence of Auties and Aspies...Anyone have similar thoughts?


Read "The Naked Sun" by Isaak Asimov. Here he describes the Solarians as a society of isolated
technocratic hermits who only interact with one another via view screens or videophones.
This novel was written in 1956. For more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Sun


an entire novel?? :cry: i only like the short stories. the really short ones :P



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16 Mar 2007, 7:27 pm

new_guy_64 wrote:
I just read that autism, autistic spectrum disorders, and aperger's syndrome are the result of missing genes, not a mutation. So no, we are not the next step in evolution.


the loss and aquisition of genes is part of evolution


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16 Mar 2007, 8:06 pm

The whole idea of added, subtracted, etc... genes is RIDICULOUS!! !! !! What happens if you run Windows XP on the ZX-80? IT CRASHES!! ! It is worthless, just GARBAGE! What happens if you run a compatible UNIX on the latest hardware? IT SCREAMS! It goes faster than anyone 20 years ago would have imagined! What if human and donkey gametes are mixed? Probably NOTHING! HECK, even horse and donkey gametes aren't really viable in one generation.

The moral? The genes DON'T MATTER! The miticondria DOESN'T MATTER! It is the final expression, and its viability, that matters. Frankly, mix the people that have the interests, technical, and relative lack of autistic limitations with those with the phenomenal memory and math skills, and WOW! They may not be social with NTs, but otherwise, name ONE way in which they would be inferior to NTs? The NTs would be struggling just to try to compete.

And HEY, I did have a FAR better memory. I wouldn't have called it photographic, but it was DARN close. In some things, it is remarkably close to photographic NOW! Heck, I got a call a few days ago from a woman wondering where a check I sent her was. I knew her name, and where she was from, from her voice, the amount to the dollar, the street to the block(I had a mental map down to the office), knew about when it was sent, how it was sent, and that it was cashed. Not bad considering it was one call and I didn't bother to remember it, and it concerned an event that happened almost 3 weeks earlier. It turns out that it somehow got routed to the main office. Of course, I have also rambled off details about the histories of protocols, etc... that I learned like 30 years ago. I even listened to a german play yesterday, and was shocked to find that I knew every sentence word for word. The last time I listened to it was like a year ago.

And when I was younger I WAS a lot better in math. STILL, I couldn't hold a candle to some here, but I was good. After really thinking about it, I guess I am better than a lot of people now, even if I am probably in the lower 30% of people HERE.

But those are my weak areas.

One really has to wonder why they want to waste all this time trying to cure autism. Why don't they attack the REAL problem? It can be done for LESS money, so the idea that they don't have the money is ludicrous. The REAL problem? EDUCATION! Let the smart people excel, and prod the slow people to be BETTER! I doubt ANYONE ever came close to their potential. Even many MR people could probably be close to what is now considered normal. Most of the normal people could be gifted. And the others? Well, maybe they'll just have to come up with new tests.

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16 Mar 2007, 8:56 pm

I think it's more like natural selection. As society grew more and more technical, more of those with Aspie traits became successful and therefore better marriage material. Also, since many find mates in the work place, the more technical people there are with Aspie traits at work, the higher their odds of reproducing. Since their aptitude favored them, they were selected more and produced more children. It's a numbers game if it's anything. None of us will ever know for certain. It could just be that the tests are finding more and they aren't being misdiagnosed. That's just as likely.



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16 Mar 2007, 9:11 pm

Guardeleon wrote:
new_guy_64 wrote:
I just read that autism, autistic spectrum disorders, and aperger's syndrome are the result of missing genes, not a mutation. So no, we are not the next step in evolution.


True, but wouldn't it have been as a result of mutation that the genes are missing?


I think that insertions, deletions, and replacements are all considered under mutation.



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16 Mar 2007, 9:20 pm

People who follow the crowd exist to keep society moving along smoothly.
People who are "different" exist to make small changes and contributions to society.
If everyone followed the crowd, society would fall apart and we would not have any sort of technology, because there would be nobody to come up with new ideas.
If everyone was different, society would fall apart and we would not have any sort of technology, because there would be nobody to keep everyone in line.

Most people are not strong enough to go against the crowd deliberately, so evolution called for Aspies; people who are ignorant as to what the crowd is doing.

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16 Mar 2007, 10:16 pm

calandale wrote:
Guardeleon wrote:
new_guy_64 wrote:
I just read that autism, autistic spectrum disorders, and aperger's syndrome are the result of missing genes, not a mutation. So no, we are not the next step in evolution.


True, but wouldn't it have been as a result of mutation that the genes are missing?


I think that insertions, deletions, and replacements are all considered under mutation.


yes, they are all mutations

many organisms have gone through entire genome duplications... this is a common way to obtain new gain-of-function mutations and thus create new genes. this happens because the said organism already has one perfectly function copy of the gene and as long as that one copy is preserved, the other one can get mutated all to crap. sometimes it's useless, sometimes the combination of mutations on that extra gene copy results in something useful (ie-to natural selection or fitness)


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