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21 Apr 2015, 7:11 pm

Jacob's Journey: Raising a Transgender Child

Tomorrow night in part 2 they feature an 8 year old

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21 Apr 2015, 9:02 pm

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Jacob's Journey: Raising a Transgender Child

Tomorrow night in part 2 they feature an 8 year old

A 5 year old usually has little interest in sex unless they've been abused. So, if a 5 yo can be born with a different brain gender than physical gender, why can't we be born autistic, which indeed is what most legit research shows? My mom eventually apologized to me for thinking that vaccines cause autism. She said that she saw a TV report that convinced her that autism starts before birth.

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22 Apr 2015, 7:12 pm

Part 2 - 8 year old granddaughter of Congressmen featured
http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vid ... 2490051892 Malisa's Story: Growing Up Transgender and a Grandfather's Pride

A little off topic but this 8 year old was allowed to speak. Much more then Autistics get in most stories about Autism

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23 Apr 2015, 2:38 pm

I think it quite awesome that nowadays transgender issues can be addressed in childhood, it was not until I had left school I did dare to investigate such feelings about myself for fear of being carted off to a mental hospital (which did happen back then). I now have known many others like myself and it seem that most of us were aware from our early childhood and so much pain and conflict can be avoided by beginning the process early.

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24 Apr 2015, 5:11 pm

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... it seem that most of us were aware from our early childhood and so much pain and conflict can be avoided by beginning the process early.

while it is definitely good that transgender issues can be discussed at any age at all, today....
hmm. I was wondering if it would make sense to wait until puberty with big decisions?
Just, from my largely uninformed perspective on gender-identity-issues, I thought, puberty can reshuffle just about anything in a person's brain...?

I mean, as an adult, it's hard to be sure just how serious you WANT to take your child asking you about a sex-change, I guess- or maybe it's just adults, like me, who can't compare these feelings to anythign they experienced themselves...
I mean, if a 5-year old told me he or she was homosexual, I wouldn't take it too seriously, but this isn't so much about what sex you're attracted to (I'd definitely prefer to wait for puberty to discuss that), but more about whether your body feels right to you, isn't it...?

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25 Apr 2015, 1:11 am

"You like girl stuff, so you can't be a boy," is a concept that is rather non sequitur. I read about an interview with 14-year old Jazz Jennings, and some creepy stuff is happening around that. Apparently, his dad likes kissing him on the lips (!). His soccer coach says he runs "daintily," which I cannot see as a positive description in any way coming from a friggin' soccer coach. (I mean, Aren't you supposed to be able to run well in order to play soccer?)

It looked like Jazz was growing up to be a gay man who was into dancing, fashion, and all that good stuff. But his conservative parents could have none of that.

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25 Apr 2015, 12:51 pm

pezar wrote:

A 5 year old usually has little interest in sex unless they've been abused. So, if a 5 yo can be born with a different brain gender than physical gender, why can't we be born autistic, which indeed is what most legit research shows? My mom eventually apologized to me for thinking that vaccines cause autism. She said that she saw a TV report that convinced her that autism starts before birth.

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It looked like Jazz was growing up to be a gay man who was into dancing, fashion, and all that good stuff. But his conservative parents could have none of that.

I don't see what "sex", or "gay" has to do with "transgender"----as far as *I* know (next to nil), "transgender" has nothing to do, with EITHER.....

In regard to the OP: all of these recent reports on transgendered kids, has got me EXTREMELY intrigued. On one of the reports, a doctor said she had an 18-month-old tell her, he was transgendered, by saying "I a boy". Where are these kids coming-from----meaning, why so many, all-of-a-sudden? Is it like with everything else, and it's just being reported now, more often?

BTW, I watched Diane Sawyer's interview with Bruce Jenner, last night..... Did anyone else see it? Unfortunately I fell asleep before the end of the show. When it went to one of the commercial breaks, it had Diane going into Bruce's closet..... So, did Bruce come-out, at the end of the show, "transformed"?

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27 Apr 2015, 2:05 pm

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Ah, does anyone else smell something bitter?

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27 Apr 2015, 3:08 pm

I'm actually not bitter at all anymore, but more indifferent to the whole thing now. Nevertheless, a lot of the stuff in the way these "trans kids" are being pushed into transition and a lifetime of hormones and surgeries, tendencies of the parents to be on the conservative side of things (and so less tolerance of not following sex roles), and weird interactions between the parents/authority figures and "trans kids" suggests to me that not all is merry behind the mask the families put up. I do think that a lot of kids are being pushed into this largely based on flimsy reasoning, and I do think this is wrong and potentially harmful.

And if you think about it, going from "I wanna be a boy" at 2 years of age--I don't even remember being 2 (and it turns out what I thought happened at age 2 actually happened at age 4, regarding my first memory when I hit my head on the coffee table and had to go to the hospital and ended up with a scar on my forehead for life)--and "I wanna dress up as Prince Charming" at 5 years of age to this kid is transgender and must transition just really does not follow.

One can't put people into boxes and needs to realize that not following sex roles does not necessary transition make.

(I've also read that a lot of things Jazz says seems rather forced.)

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27 Apr 2015, 3:40 pm

How is weird for her parents to treat her as their daughter?

Did they actually start her on hormones, or just blockers?

Eh, it wouldn't be such a problem if we went back to the traditional way of raising children - treating them the same until meaningful differences start to develop. They're all girls, after all. Knave girls and gay girls, but...

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27 Apr 2015, 6:20 pm

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How is weird for her parents to treat her as their daughter?

Did they actually start her on hormones, or just blockers?

Eh, it wouldn't be such a problem if we went back to the traditional way of raising children - treating them the same until meaningful differences start to develop. They're all girls, after all. Knave girls and gay girls, but...

Nobody in these stories has started on anything. The parents said those are decisions for the future.

As far as the DSM 5 is concerned "Gender Dysphoria " can be diagnosed in children

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Gender Dysphoria in Children

302.6 (F64.2)

A. A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, of at least 6 months’ duration, as manifested by at least six of the following (one of which must be Criterion A1):

1. A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender).
2. In boys (assigned gender), a strong preference for cross-dressing or simulating female attire: or in girls (assigned gender), a strong preference for wearing only typical masculine clothing and a strong resistance to the wearing of typical feminine clothing.
3. A strong preference for cross-gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play.
4. A strong preference for the toys, games, or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender.
5. A strong preference for playmates of the other gender.
6. In boys (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically masculine toys, games, and activities and a strong avoidance of rough-and-tumble play; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically feminine toys, games, and activities.
7. A strong dislike of one’s sexual anatomy.
8. A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics that match one’s experienced gender.
B. The condition is associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, school, or other important areas of functioning.

Specify if: With a disorder of sex development (e.g., a congenital adrenogenital disorder such as 255.2 [E25.0] congenital adrenal hyperplasia or 259.50 [E34.50] androgen insensitivity syndrome).
Coding note: Code the disorder of sex development as well as gender dysphoria.

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27 Apr 2015, 7:00 pm

Here's what I don't understand: What soccer player, male or female, would want to be said by their coach to run daintily? Knowing my sister, who played soccer in high school and college, she would never want to be said to run daintily, and she doesn't. I don't get how I would be doing her any favor by saying she runs daintily.

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04 May 2015, 1:55 am

growing up I was repeatedly told by dad and peers that I "looked and acted like a girl."i wished that people would just live and let live.

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04 May 2015, 12:59 pm

shlaifu wrote:

iceb wrote:

... it seem that most of us were aware from our early childhood and so much pain and conflict can be avoided by beginning the process early.

I think that is why they don't let kids transition until they are in their teens and why they give them pills instead that block their brain from sending something from the gland to tell their body to start transitioning into an adult body. Then when they are older, they start handing them hormone medicine instead so their body makes changes to a body they feel comfortable with.

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