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Seigfried
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12 Jun 2015, 3:15 pm

I refuse to be exploited, I refuse to work for less than $25.00/hour with full benefits and living allowance. This is the bare minimum I will accept in exchange for my time and energy, because at least with this I could afford to make some meaningful progress and escape the hamster wheel, otherwise might as well stay on welfare.

Nothing pisses me off more than having some manager keeping tabs on me all day and being surrounded by castrated losers who accept the kind of psychological abuse companies employ to best utilize their "human resources" as normal.

I would much rather be homeless than put myself through that kind of humiliating torture again. And yes I have been homeless before so I know what it's like.

Being forced to interact with others all day is exhausting and stressful to the point of my mind beginning to atrophy, being treated like an asset so some rich a-holes can get richer and live their oh so fabulous lives is intolerable to my sense of pride.



zer0netgain
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13 Jun 2015, 3:49 pm

Suck it up, buttercup.

I don't know where you live, but in the USA, you'd be lucky to get $15/hour with any benefits.

I'm 46 and just recently got a job paying $15/hour with benefits (health, dental, 401K, vacation & sick time).

$25/hour just isn't going to happen anytime soon.

The MORONS thinking $15/hour should be the new minimum wage have no idea how badly that will backfire if people doing the lowliest of jobs requiring no education or experience were starting out at that much money. I'd have to see my pay jump to $25/hour just to compensate for the economic impact.



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13 Jun 2015, 5:27 pm

If you can add more than $25 of value for each hour of your time on average, then you might be able to make that demand. When you count payroll taxes, training cost, diseconomies of workforce scale, and other costs to the employer, you really need to add more like $35 per hour to justify a $25 wage. Of course, the employer needs a cut too. In my last role, my time was billed to clients at $350 per hour. On a good day, I might see 10% of that. And you thought your minimum wage employer was greedy.
I've made minimum wage before too and I felt then as you do now. I had to get a master's degree in something marketable and useful and develop many advanced skills to find anything better than the average McJob. Needless to say, I would feel it's unfair if you made almost as much as me without bringing nearly as much to the table as I do.



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14 Jun 2015, 5:43 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Suck it up, buttercup.

I don't know where you live, but in the USA, you'd be lucky to get $15/hour with any benefits.

I'm 46 and just recently got a job paying $15/hour with benefits (health, dental, 401K, vacation & sick time).

$25/hour just isn't going to happen anytime soon.

The MORONS thinking $15/hour should be the new minimum wage have no idea how badly that will backfire if people doing the lowliest of jobs requiring no education or experience were starting out at that much money. I'd have to see my pay jump to $25/hour just to compensate for the economic impact.


Suck it up? They can suck my ****, because the equation doesn't quite work out in my mind.
Right now I'm on welfare, I make no financial progress but at least I can spend my time doing things which are free and enjoyable, if I work a crappy job then I'll waste my time burning myself out while still making no financial progress.



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14 Jun 2015, 6:12 am

I am happy to be on disability and I want to be on disability for the rest of my life and I'm not planning on going back to work any time in the future. Working caused me such excessive anxiety that I was swallowing handfuls of prescription and over-the-counter pills every morning just to numb myself enough that I could actually go to work at all. Then the abuse by bosses and coworkers caused essentially a nervous breakdown that took about three years to resolve. Finally I feel okay and my health and mental state is worth more to me than earning the $14.75 an hour + benefits that I was making.



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14 Jun 2015, 9:14 am

I took less money to get a job related to one of my special interests. Then I had to work for years doing stuff management thought I should be doing. So I did that and really good independent projects. Then they realized that trying to manage my talent was a silly waste of their time and mine , as I have a much better idea of what I should be working on, so they stopped trying to tell me what I should be working on. So now I get paid for my special interest. :D Now its enough to buy cool toys and save plenty for retirement.

Not sure what I'll do when I retire, but I figure that as long as I have enough money, I can figure it out later. 8O



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16 Jun 2015, 7:35 pm

Seigfried wrote:
Suck it up? They can suck my ****, because the equation doesn't quite work out in my mind.


You'll have a much easier time dealing with the world if you stop trying to make it fit into any sense of "logic."

I tilted at that windmill more than enough times before I accepted that the world isn't going to operate the way WE think it should.