Can women and men can be friends interviews..?
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The funniest part is when those women get cornered by his questions , they turned out to be so in denial - it also shows how they realize the friendzone/one-side attraction situation they have with their 'just friend' guys.
Honestly, men sounded more honest there and less in denial.
That is bizarre and a complete mess, honestly.
Since they're talking about straight people whose sexual orientations are compatible with one another, and I'm a lesbian, I'll try to give an equivalent example - even in a LGBT social group where I participated for years, when I spent time with girls from the group on a friendly basis, I was rarely romantically interested in anyone, or anyone else in me as far as I knew. Some couples met through the group, naturally, but in general, I saw more examples of people being friends with other people of a compatible sexual orientation without any romantic or sexual conflict.
Take it a step further. I've had friends that I thought were attractive, whose looks I admired. That certainly doesn't mean I was unsatisfied being friends with them, and it does not mean I would have sex or enter a romantic relationship with any of them given the opportunity, because, hello, we didn't have the kind of relationship where that would be comfortable? Take it one more step further - unfortunately, I do have one friend who I probably can't successfully be close friends with because I am attracted to her. I wish I could be friends with her even though she's not interested in me romantically, but I don't think I can be friendly with her without overstepping and jealousy. So I get that this happens and it sucks, but I thought this was a fairly uncommon situation, and I'm baffled that so many people in the video think it is categorically impossible to be friends with someone without being inconvenienced by romantic or sexual feelings just because this person is of a gender that you can potentially have those feelings for. I cannot imagine that.
Honestly, I think straight men and women are unwittingly socialized to be as awkward and ineffective as possible in their communication and views of one another's gender until they make an effort to unlearn all the weird stereotypes and "rules" people are exposed to.
As a bisexual, I concur with the above.
Also what about friends who are exes? You get along great, but the relationship failed, so you drop back to a friendship.
Also what about friends where one or both is in a relationship with someone else? Did he only mean single people?
I've definitely had male friends who were attracted to me. If it was so hard for them to be my friend, I wonder why they bothered, since I had made it clear that it was not going to be anything more than friendship. Do men enjoy torturing themselves? For me, when it has been reversed, I've treasured the friendship, and moved on from being attracted to them. Perhaps that is made easy by the fact that I'm rarely attracted to someone who I know is not attracted to me (because them not being attracted to me is an unattractive trait of theirs ).
(Also, that guy seemed to think he had come to the grand conclusion that is "impossible for men and women to be just friends", even though he only went to one location and interviewed people all around the same age who go to the same university, who all looked rather attractive and normal. Sampling bias overload.)
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Sample bias or not; I believe it's generally true.
Look around you in life, don't you ever wonder why the hot women often have a lot of male "orbiters"- aka "friends"; and it's so rare to see an obese girl with a lot of male friends, if there are ...check again, they are usually also friend with her attractive friend, probably they were friend with her before becoming friends with the obese girl - socialization is the most common strategy for mate search.
It's also true for the hot men with a lot of female "friends"...uhm.."orbiters"; it's more rare to see though.
Honestly, yellow, do you think your friends (the exes) or any other male friend would have said 'no' for a sex offer from you?
Well, it has happened. And the ones who aren't single, for sure, they'd say no.
But can't a male and female be just friends regardless of whether they might happen to shag each other at some point? Why does that have to change they dynamic of the relationship while they are not intimate? I've had male friends who I would say I was happily "just friends" with, even though possibly we might happen to have sex at some point in the future, if they or I offered, or in a night of drunken passion or whatever. That doesn't change the fact that today, at this moment, we are "just friends", and I at least am very content with that, and don't see why they shouldn't be too. Like I said, if they aren't, they should save themselves the torture and stop hanging out with me.
I only really see people in very public settings, I don't see who other people hang out with in their homes and places I don't frequent, so I'd be careful to make assumptions based on what I see in a limited range of locations and settings. People would get a different idea about who my friends are by just observing me in popular public settings. So basically no, I've never wondered such things.
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Well, it has happened. And the ones who aren't single, for sure, they'd say no.
But can't a male and female be just friends regardless of whether they might happen to shag each other at some point? Why does that have to change they dynamic of the relationship while they are not intimate? I've had male friends who I would say I was happily "just friends" with, even though possibly we might happen to have sex at some point in the future, if they or I offered, or in a night of drunken passion or whatever. That doesn't change the fact that today, at this moment, we are "just friends", and I at least am very content with that, and don't see why they shouldn't be too. Like I said, if they aren't, they should save themselves the torture and stop hanging out with me.
I am bi and I was in a group of friends during high school times: 3 girls (including me), 1 gay and 2 boys.
I liked one of the girls(romantically), considered I could have sex with one of the guys(but definitely no romantic relationship, I considered him "a jerk but probably good in bed") and found the gay guy quite attractive but unreachable and having bad personality(so definitely a turn off).
The "jerk" seemed to be hitting on both me and the girl I liked but being just friend towards the third girl.
The gay didn't seem to hit on any of the 2 guys.
The other guy didn't seem to be interested in any of the girls nor the gay - so he was just our friend(best friend of the "jerk").
The other girl was not involved romantically in any of us and noone seemed to like her romantically either, she was just a friend to all of us.
The whole group was together because we were all into playing RPG games. Not because of any romance. And no romantic relationship got actually created despite the fact some of us considered some other members of the group attractive.
If you are friend with anyone you naturally like him/her one way or another(othervise you couldn't go along with him/her well enough to be considered friends) and if the sex of the person fits your sexual orientation you might consider dating them but it doesn't mean you can't be just friends and stay friends if you choose so. We are humans, not wild animals that run only on sex drive and have sex with any being we find a little bit attractive.
Wild animals are too busy looking for food or shelter, or running away from their predators, to run only on sex drive. Focusing as much on sex as we do is a luxury. In fact, there are places where efforts to preserve a wild population of wolves are failing, because there are always male dogs eager to mate with female wolves in oestrus, while male wolves have a lower sex drive because they're adapted to a more economical lifestyle. As a consequence, the population gets hybridized with dogs.
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I liked one of the girls(romantically), considered I could have sex with one of the guys(but definitely no romantic relationship, I considered him "a jerk but probably good in bed") and found the gay guy quite attractive but unreachable and having bad personality(so definitely a turn off).
The "jerk" seemed to be hitting on both me and the girl I liked but being just friend towards the third girl.
The gay didn't seem to hit on any of the 2 guys.
The other guy didn't seem to be interested in any of the girls nor the gay - so he was just our friend(best friend of the "jerk").
The other girl was not involved romantically in any of us and noone seemed to like her romantically either, she was just a friend to all of us.
The whole group was together because we were all into playing RPG games. Not because of any romance. And no romantic relationship got actually created despite the fact some of us considered some other members of the group attractive.
If you are friend with anyone you naturally like him/her one way or another(othervise you couldn't go along with him/her well enough to be considered friends) and if the sex of the person fits your sexual orientation you might consider dating them but it doesn't mean you can't be just friends and stay friends if you choose so. We are humans, not wild animals that run only on sex drive and have sex with any being we find a little bit attractive.
The point here is that men don't befriend women initially just for the sake of friendship; sure exes may become real friends, a guy may move over a crush he befriended and remains friends with her ..... but the initial motif wasn't friendship. Like the Outrider's story here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=288973&start=45 this is so typical.
And the question remains whether he will be willing to sleep with her if got offered, some of you are saying they won't but I bet you haven't tried to ask them.
And the question remains whether he will be willing to sleep with her if got offered, some of you are saying they won't but I bet you haven't tried to ask them.
Oh well, I don't see a problem with that. It doesn't prevent the two people from being just friends while they are just friends, like I mentioned before. So if there's never an offer...yep, they can be just friends!
If the question was "can a single hetero male and single hetero female ever be friends without either one ever being attracted to the other (or willing to shag them if offered)" then I'd say the answer is "only in rare cases".
And the question remains whether he will be willing to sleep with her if got offered, some of you are saying they won't but I bet you haven't tried to ask them.
Oh well, I don't see a problem with that. It doesn't prevent the two people from being just friends while they are just friends, like I mentioned before. So if there's never an offer...yep, they can be just friends!
If the question was "can a single hetero male and single hetero female ever be friends without either one ever being attracted to the other (or willing to shag them if offered)" then I'd say the answer is "only in rare cases".
you're just friends the guy is friends hoping to be with you friends. doubt you'd like it if you wanted to be romanticly with a guy and he said we'll be just friends.
I liked one of the girls(romantically), considered I could have sex with one of the guys(but definitely no romantic relationship, I considered him "a jerk but probably good in bed") and found the gay guy quite attractive but unreachable and having bad personality(so definitely a turn off).
The "jerk" seemed to be hitting on both me and the girl I liked but being just friend towards the third girl.
The gay didn't seem to hit on any of the 2 guys.
The other guy didn't seem to be interested in any of the girls nor the gay - so he was just our friend(best friend of the "jerk").
The other girl was not involved romantically in any of us and noone seemed to like her romantically either, she was just a friend to all of us.
The whole group was together because we were all into playing RPG games. Not because of any romance. And no romantic relationship got actually created despite the fact some of us considered some other members of the group attractive.
If you are friend with anyone you naturally like him/her one way or another(othervise you couldn't go along with him/her well enough to be considered friends) and if the sex of the person fits your sexual orientation you might consider dating them but it doesn't mean you can't be just friends and stay friends if you choose so. We are humans, not wild animals that run only on sex drive and have sex with any being we find a little bit attractive.
The point here is that men don't befriend women initially just for the sake of friendship; sure exes may become real friends, a guy may move over a crush he befriended and remains friends with her ..... but the initial motif wasn't friendship. Like the Outrider's story here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=288973&start=45 this is so typical.
And the question remains whether he will be willing to sleep with her if got offered, some of you are saying they won't but I bet you haven't tried to ask them.
I totally agree. For myself, I couldn't be friends with a guy if he was attractive unless he was gay or married. And if he was dating other women, I'd be wondering "what in the heck is wrong with me??! !" If I'm not attracted to him, not a problem. I think guys will remain in a friendship with someone they are attracted to for awhile hoping that there is a chance for it to go further, but once they are in a relationship they will leave the first. Single men and women relationships almost always have to come to an end once one of the two gets married.
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I liked one of the girls(romantically), considered I could have sex with one of the guys(but definitely no romantic relationship, I considered him "a jerk but probably good in bed") and found the gay guy quite attractive but unreachable and having bad personality(so definitely a turn off).
The "jerk" seemed to be hitting on both me and the girl I liked but being just friend towards the third girl.
The gay didn't seem to hit on any of the 2 guys.
The other guy didn't seem to be interested in any of the girls nor the gay - so he was just our friend(best friend of the "jerk").
The other girl was not involved romantically in any of us and noone seemed to like her romantically either, she was just a friend to all of us.
The whole group was together because we were all into playing RPG games. Not because of any romance. And no romantic relationship got actually created despite the fact some of us considered some other members of the group attractive.
If you are friend with anyone you naturally like him/her one way or another(othervise you couldn't go along with him/her well enough to be considered friends) and if the sex of the person fits your sexual orientation you might consider dating them but it doesn't mean you can't be just friends and stay friends if you choose so. We are humans, not wild animals that run only on sex drive and have sex with any being we find a little bit attractive.
The point here is that men don't befriend women initially just for the sake of friendship; sure exes may become real friends, a guy may move over a crush he befriended and remains friends with her ..... but the initial motif wasn't friendship. Like the Outrider's story here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=288973&start=45 this is so typical.
And the question remains whether he will be willing to sleep with her if got offered, some of you are saying they won't but I bet you haven't tried to ask them.
I totally agree. For myself, I couldn't be friends with a guy if he was attractive unless he was gay or married. And if he was dating other women, I'd be wondering "what in the heck is wrong with me??! !" If I'm not attracted to him, not a problem. I think guys will remain in a friendship with someone they are attracted to for awhile hoping that there is a chance for it to go further, but once they are in a relationship they will leave the first. Single men and women relationships almost always have to come to an end once one of the two gets married.
yep
And the question remains whether he will be willing to sleep with her if got offered, some of you are saying they won't but I bet you haven't tried to ask them.
Oh well, I don't see a problem with that. It doesn't prevent the two people from being just friends while they are just friends, like I mentioned before. So if there's never an offer...yep, they can be just friends!
If the question was "can a single hetero male and single hetero female ever be friends without either one ever being attracted to the other (or willing to shag them if offered)" then I'd say the answer is "only in rare cases".
you're just friends the guy is friends hoping to be with you friends. doubt you'd like it if you wanted to be romanticly with a guy and he said we'll be just friends.
I have such friends. It's fine. We're just friends.
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I liked one of the girls(romantically), considered I could have sex with one of the guys(but definitely no romantic relationship, I considered him "a jerk but probably good in bed") and found the gay guy quite attractive but unreachable and having bad personality(so definitely a turn off).
The "jerk" seemed to be hitting on both me and the girl I liked but being just friend towards the third girl.
The gay didn't seem to hit on any of the 2 guys.
The other guy didn't seem to be interested in any of the girls nor the gay - so he was just our friend(best friend of the "jerk").
The other girl was not involved romantically in any of us and noone seemed to like her romantically either, she was just a friend to all of us.
The whole group was together because we were all into playing RPG games. Not because of any romance. And no romantic relationship got actually created despite the fact some of us considered some other members of the group attractive.
If you are friend with anyone you naturally like him/her one way or another(othervise you couldn't go along with him/her well enough to be considered friends) and if the sex of the person fits your sexual orientation you might consider dating them but it doesn't mean you can't be just friends and stay friends if you choose so. We are humans, not wild animals that run only on sex drive and have sex with any being we find a little bit attractive.
The point here is that men don't befriend women initially just for the sake of friendship; sure exes may become real friends, a guy may move over a crush he befriended and remains friends with her ..... but the initial motif wasn't friendship. Like the Outrider's story here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=288973&start=45 this is so typical.
And the question remains whether he will be willing to sleep with her if got offered, some of you are saying they won't but I bet you haven't tried to ask them.
I totally agree. For myself, I couldn't be friends with a guy if he was attractive unless he was gay or married. And if he was dating other women, I'd be wondering "what in the heck is wrong with me??! !" If I'm not attracted to him, not a problem. I think guys will remain in a friendship with someone they are attracted to for awhile hoping that there is a chance for it to go further, but once they are in a relationship they will leave the first. Single men and women relationships almost always have to come to an end once one of the two gets married.
A close female friend I had, and was always in good terms with her, but her contact became minimal once she got engaged and...she didn't even invite me to her wedding, and it was a big wedding.
She was aware that my initial motif behind my first contact with her wasn't friendship, she refused to give her phone number at first and she only gave it later on after the first outing - so the initial motif was crystal clear for her.
Friendships between women and men tend to be way more temporary.
And that's a one very ugly side of friendship between women and men.
The guy that you are not attracted to him, might also be attracted to you, and he would ask the same "what in the heck is wrong with me??! !" if you date others.
What even more uglier, even if I am not attracted to these female friends, is when they start to talk about guys and rank their desirability, and in particular when they talk negatively (desirability-wise) in front of me about guys with the same physical and character traits that I have. ie. her 1: that guy asked me out - her 2: eww he's too short and isn't that handsome. - for that, I can't help it but to feel that they view me as a "Lesser male" or "omega male".
So yeah, no thanks, I don't want friendships with girls; I prefer to live honest with myself.
And I agree with the men in the video.
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