The "Islamization" of Europe is statistically impossible

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"Islamization" is a concept that is spreading throughout Europe that at some point, the sheer amount of migrants from the Middle East will supersede the Christian culture of Europe and replace it with an Islamic one. Let me explain how ridiculous this is:

First of all, lets consider how many migrants there are right now. I couldn't find any accurate numbers, but I will make a generous estimate of 10 million, tops. Europe's population is 742 MILLION, the majority of which is Christian. It is clear which one is the dominant culture. Every single migrant could move into Europe today and Christians would still be the crushing majority. And this isn't even accounting for the migrants who will absorb themselves into the culture, or even the migrants who are actually Christian.

Bottom line: The whole idea of Islamization is nothing but paranoia.

I wonder how many agnostics and atheists are routinely counted as Christians in such statistics.

Understood on Muslim population in reference to majority of Europe but what remains to be seen is certain effect of new cultural import to Europe. While Islam is not new, what is unknown is the culture about the current large immigrant population.

I want to remain inclined to believe that they are simply immigrants but if so, trekking halfway across the continent to Germany, Scandinavia, Britain, appears as more than such. Appears quite an organized effort. Recall the immigrants from Syria were rejected in Turkey, a Muslim country. This is a cause if concern. Why were they rejected? I assume it is not Islam that Turks rejected but immigrants' culture/societal make up.

Turkey may be muslim majority country, but for all their flaws, the state and constitution are very much secular. Up until recently, it was illegal to wear the muslim headscarves in public on pain of arrest.

And I'm not entirely sure, but it seems there may be some "wrong kind of muslims" thinking at play there.

Some researches suggested muslim majority over christianity in europe until the end of the 21th century, although that was before the migration crisis. So now I think I'll live to see it happen, depends on the reaction of christians and "original" europeans and with the rise of right winged and other extremist parties who knows what will happen.

Anyway, christians, europeans and generally "white people" are actually the minority on this planet. Do you know how many people live in China? India (the largest democracy in the world!)? no wonder people want to live the good life in europe and US.

I wouldn't say it is statistically impossible, maybe overall it is but certain countries maybe. Christianity is in rapid decline in Europe and the Muslim community there does not integrate well and their religion is the central bond of their community. 742 million includes Turkey, there are far far more Muslims in Europe than 10 million. Google puts the number at 44 million excluding Turkey with 19 million in the EU. A place like Sweden will become majority Muslim in the next 50-100 years easily if they do not change their ways, it is a small country that is taking in hundreds of thousands of refugees every year. I think Sweden has declared that they would accept all asylum applications, it's insanity. Gadaffi wasn't lying about him being the only thing between Europe and a billion Africans, Europe will reap what it sow in Africa and the Middle East. To even call these people refugees would be wrong, they're fleeing a warzone without their wives and kids? Either they're cowards or liars taking advantage of the situation, these young men should be the one's fighting ISIS not us. These are economic migrants and the flow will NEVER stop, why would you want to stay and wait in some bread line your home country when you could get the full access of the European welfare state?

And what exactly makes you culturally a Christian or Muslim? Religion itself is part of culture, so, if you don’t follow the former, you’re already missing a part of the latter. In addition, many cultural elements can’t be traced to a single current religion, or even predate them.

I think it’s a rather arbitrary classification, and likely to become more so over time with the coëxistence of people from different cultural backgrounds.

100% Islamization was a done deal before the current mess. In the cities, France, England, are no go neighborhoods fully taken over without firing a shot.

They are in effect taxing the Christian Community they conquered.

The south of France has fallen to Africa, a quarter of Paris is occupied.

Pakistan rules over their English Colonies in London.

Arabic or Pashtun is spoken, Islam is the only religion allowed, and "Native Police" are driven out.

Pay your Christian Dog Tax, give your children for sex slaves, and shut up!

How many places do we see a minority of people end up with undue influence? All it takes is for all the other groups in a given area to be indecisive, and then you introduce a cohesive group that has an agenda. Numbers don't count, influence does.

Not as many Europeans go to church as they used to.

As absurd as the notion of Islam overtaking Europe is, even more ridiculous is the notion that the tiny Muslim population in America will someday enforce Sharia law - - all apparently with the help of atheists and gays, two groups greatly unpopular with the Sharia crowd. But demagogic politicians are still able to play up on people's prejudice against Muslims, no matter how irrational and impossible those fears are of becoming reality.

Mathematically, it's very slowly happening.

Pew research by 2050:

-only 65% of Europeans will identify as Christian compared to 75% presently

-The number of Christians will drop from 553 million presently to 443 million people.

-Muslims, Buddists, Hindus will grow because of higher fertility rates, and immigration

-However, Muslims are forecast to increase only modestly as a share of Europe’s population, from 6% in 2010 to 10% in 2050.

- Muslim growth rate is 63% while the Christian growth rate is -17.9%.



http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... will-grow/

Thank you^.

Its the long range math, not the current wave of migrants that the OP should have considered.

But even considering the long range trend of steady immigration, and higher birth rate it looks like the EU will not vote for Shariah law any time in the next fifty years.

If a person is worried about "Christians becoming the minority", and they take the word "Christian" literally to mean folks who adhere to the religion of Christianity (and not just White folks who are culturally Christian by heritage) only six percent of west Europeans go to church (ten percent of the rate in the USA). SO "Christians" have long been the minority, and that happened without the help of any brown skinned immigrants. But ironically many of the folks fleeing the Mideast now are Copts from Egypt, and Eastern Orthodox Christians from Syria. So the refugee crises might actually bolster the number of fervent Christians in Western Europe. Might even spark a revival among the lapsed locals!