Wicca or Christianty?

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i am interested in Wicca but I am also in to Jesus Christ im am trying to understand which region is better I know some people are both I can relley uses some help please no mean comment's because I will report you!

"Better"? In what way?

If you're a Christian, then Wiccans are evil, devil-worshipping sinners whose souls are going straight to Hell when they die.

If you're a Wiccan, then Christians are stuck-up, self-righteous hypocrites whose souls are doomed to repeat their mistakes in their next lives.

Both are hypocritical belief systems.

you do kinda have a point!

Thank you. I've been involved in both systems, and have seen their messages of "Love, Peace, and Harmony" perverted to suit the desires and goals of their leaders.

I had lots of people try to convert me to them regions

If I may suggest, please get a Bible of your own and read it without anyone else around to "interpret" it for you - they will tell you only what they want to tell you.

Start with Matthew, chapters 5 through 7, and re-read them until you have them memorized. Then put what you have learned into practice.

Remember, "... God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." -- John 3:17

If either of them appeal to you, or if both appeal to you take the best from both of them and leave their hypocritical dogma alone.

It is not their dogmae that's necessarily hypocritical, but the people who twist the dogmas to suit their own desires and goals.

You know, it's not necessary to be a church-going Christian to live your life according to the teachings of Jesus. I would venture to say that most Wiccans follow his teachings on how to treat others better than many evangelicals. I don't know how I stand on judgment after death, ie., if it happens, but if it does, my suspicions are that we'll be judged by our deeds, not our creeds. Because, ya know what? That's my only hope.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
-- Jesus, from John 13:34

Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill, An it harm none do what ye will. -- The Wiccan Rede, circa 1974

I'm not saying that these mean they same thing; just that similar sentiments are being expressed.

Aren't some pagan and Christian traditions mixed? Christmas occurs at the same time as old pagan ceremonies, but maybe this is just a coincidence because it follows a common harvest time.
Anyway, I wouldn't subscribe to either of them. Better to think for yourself.

There's a really easy answer on this one - Hermeticism. It's the perfect fusion of both.

That's actually more something that's happened in the last several hundred years. Yes, the pagan vs. Christian/Jewish/Islamic thing has always been rocky but there have been plenty of times as well where there were significant esoteric resurgences and where ceremonial magic was perfectly okay - as long as you were seen as one of the good guys doing it in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

One of those periods of time was the renaissance where you had a lot of rediscovery of both Platonist/Neoplatonist writings and pantheistic philosophies as well as the Corpus Hermeticum - the later considered so important by Cosimo Di Medici that he had Marcillio Ficino, who was working on Plato's Symposium, drop what he was doing to translate it. Back at that time many viewed Hermes Trismegistus to be a contemporary of Moses, for a couple hundred years that Catholic church also had a significant relevance for him (or really what you could better call the meme as Hermes Trismegistus was a pseudonym for a string of authors with similar ideas).

The 15th and 16th centuries were very interesting in that you had people like Pico Della Mirandola exposing Christiandom to Kabbalah, which was Christianized in Europe and used both by the alchemists and ceremonial magicians of the time. Another man studying Kabbalah a great deal was John Reuchlin, a man of particular influence on Martin Luther. One of the bedrock foundational tomes of magic from that time - supposedly written by Henry Cornelius Agrippa at the age of 23, was the Three Books of Occult Philosophy. A lot of people claim that it's more likely that, for as bright and precocious as Agrippa might have been, that this work may have been more likely that of a Benedictine abbot by the name of Johannes Trithemius of Sponheim.

Trithemius was very much working with angelic and demonic evokation - particularly what's become the classic model of the magician in a circle with the summoned entity in a triangle. Looking back at both Trithemeus's writings (writings properly attributed to him, not the 3 Books) in the preambles and closing of the rituals as well as the so-called books of Solomon's magic you saw intense use of Christian prayer, dedication of the work to the greatness and holiness of God, etc. etc..


I'm not going to suggest that Christianity was ever a big, inclusivist happy family with pantheistic monist pursuits - even by 3rd century the activities of people like Athanaseus, Theophilus, etc.. put that to rest and to this day the Nicean Creed is the template of Christian salvation - by belief in the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. At the same time though there were periods where Christianity was not nearly as narrowly defined as it is today. During some epochs like the dark ages it was simply for the disconnection of society and hence Rome's inefficiency at holding dominion and enforcing conformity of belief. Later after the renaissance groups like the Speculative Masons (ie. Freemasonry), Rosicrucians, the Golden Dawn and its predecessors, etc. try to re-stir that pot or at least stir it among those who are open-minded enough to consider things that way. Truthfully if one reads books like the Corpus Hermeticum as well as various Greek philosophy of the time you see heavy doses of Greek and Greco-Egyptian thought in the New Testament, especially in the writings of John and Paul (Reza Aslan had his own things to say about this as well - really postulating two stories - one of a strictly Jewish messiah, ie. what James the Just would have made of it without Paul's intercession and the second being the Greek philosophic extension of the Messiah as taught by Paul and John), and a lot of the things in both the Old Testament and the New Testament actually don't make much sense at all and seem really obscure until one brings in those philosophies. For centuries Plato and Pythagoras were regarded somewhat like pagan saints, ie. wise men who saw the light but simply weren't Jewish and lived before Christ, and their philosophies were seen as lanterns along the way toward proper understanding of Christ.


I know that was a bit lengthy for what we're discussing but it's a flank of history that really doesn't get covered much in high school and college texts and yet it's pretty important in understanding a lot of how these things intertwine through history and philosophically. It's also a good part of why the Freemasons have always been so big on taking Egyptian symbolism and deities along with their Judao-Christian beliefs.

Christianity has co-opted a good deal of the holidays of western traditions, and claimed hegmony on them, as well as their sacred spaces. That being said it's also co-opted theology from several eastern traditions as well, most notably Zoroastrianism, which gave Christianity it's perpetual spiritual battle of the foces of 'good', IE, God, Jesus, and the angels, against the forces of darkness, Satan, his demons, and the concept of 'Hell' as we know it today.

I think in short, Christianity, at least in the western sense first whored itself out to to gain adherents from other traditions, and then when Christian leaders had power, was arrogantly, and brutally imposed forcibly on non believers. --Aloha, Harald Hardrada, Holy Roman Empire and it's various Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, etc.

Essentially, what Christianity became in the 'Dark Ages' and is indelibly still influenced by it's legacy is a far cry from the simple, straightforwards message that was preached by a guy maned Jesus.

Too often religion is a tool of man for his own ends.

The stories are so wonderful, though. It is interesting too how ancient near eastern stories like the flood are reflected in Christian stories.

In this life, the best we can do is "Be excellent to each other!"