Anybody watching "Elementary"?
Sherlock has a budding romance with an autistic woman. Not sure how accurate the portrayal is since I'm very, very ignorant. But the portrayal seems positive.
Really, really cool.
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Me....Still too old to know it all
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Thanks. As soon as I read your reply I found the box with that episide. It's amazing what I remember, what I don't and what needs a bit oiling for retrieval.
As far as ignorance Abe Lincoln, I believe said "We are all ignorant - just in different areas" ( not exact quote)
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As far as ignorance Abe Lincoln, I believe said "We are all ignorant - just in different areas" ( not exact quote)
My favorite lines were:
To her boss: "He's Neurotypical."
To Watson: "She's neurotypical...."
to Sherlock: Big pause...."I'm not sure what you are."
It may actually be a pointed reference to the fact that the BBC version plays fast and loose with that in a disserving manner.
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I have followed the character since the movie days of Basil Rathbone.
I mean I have fun with Sheldon, House and such as a conjecture. But, I also know that's all I know. And, really, until I got to the point of self-diagnosing and then currently undergoing diagnosis, I knew nothing. Now, I'm not so sure about any of it because I'm that ignorant still.
But, they are drawing a sharp distinction with this character and whether it is accurate or not, it seems to be doing it with respect.
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I finally saw last week's Elementary. I am cautiously optimistic, and I'm glad that someone is at least attempting a realistic portrait of an autistic woman instead of throwing symptoms around without naming it, getting the rest of it wrong, and then dodging criticism by saying, "we weren't really trying to depict autism, Asperger's, or any one condition!" Big Bang Theory, BBC Sherlock, I'm looking at you.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE BBC Sherlock (the Benedict Cumberbatch one), it's a fun show and very well written and acted, but I think it has a disingenuous tendency to dodge and weave around the issue of depicting neurodivergence in the media, dropping hints all around (is he Asperger's? Is he a sociopath? Or just a jerk?), and then distorting symptoms to suit the story. There are some wonderful fanfics that depict BBC Sherlock as though he really did have Asperger's on Archive of Our Own, complete with sensory issues, an unpleasant childhood of ABA, and meltdowns.
One thing I do like about Jonny Lee Miller's Sherlock is that we get a much more nuanced, subtle performance that makes him feel more like a real person, complete with quirks and bad habits. Cumberbatch's Sherlock is passionate and sexy and fun to watch, but is almost too much, not real to me. And his backing away from the Asperger's in the second year annoyed me.
I'm glad to see that an autistic woman might be a semi-regular, and that Miller's Sherlock actually considers her intriguing and worthy of romantic pursuit! How's that for a change?
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I've never seen Sherlock before, so that was interesting info. And I like your overall review. Is how she is portrayed somewhat realistic?
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The obvoius hesitancy in her voice is something I do.
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“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman
How about the uber clean/sparse apartment and the clipped/clinical way of speaking?
I realize I am a bit different in my speaking mainly because of my upbringing. But I'm a motor mouth with no filter and a really bad edit button.
I found it interesting that she would parse a statement made by Watson about Holmes as a 'binary statement of if, then statements.' (Paraphrased) While I do think like that, I don't verbalize it to that degree. And the asking her to say the sky was a different color is something I did not understand.
For me, it would be a compliance issue to fit in. If you want me to say it's purple, I will say so. I have a compulsion to answer questions and comply. It's just been easier that way. I won't like it, but I will not buck it. If not being asked to state something so obviously wrong though, I am compulsively honest. And that's the type of thing that's been bugging the crap outta me. That need to do things against my nature just to fit in. But, that's me and I was wondering if it applied to others.
I do realize that it is a character. I realize there is a fair amount of storytelling that must propel the story that may require accentuating things for the audience as well.
No matter what I think though about those minute details, I do like it seems to be done with thought and respect.
And, I do think her statement about not knowing what type of person Sherlock was, was quite telling by the writers.
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I realize I am a bit different in my speaking mainly because of my upbringing. But I'm a motor mouth with no filter and a really bad edit button.
I found it interesting that she would parse a statement made by Watson about Holmes as a 'binary statement of if, then statements.' (Paraphrased) While I do think like that, I don't verbalize it to that degree. And the asking her to say the sky was a different color is something I did not understand.
For me, it would be a compliance issue to fit in. If you want me to say it's purple, I will say so. I have a compulsion to answer questions and comply. It's just been easier that way. I won't like it, but I will not buck it. If not being asked to state something so obviously wrong though, I am compulsively honest. And that's the type of thing that's been bugging the crap outta me. That need to do things against my nature just to fit in. But, that's me and I was wondering if it applied to others.
I do realize that it is a character. I realize there is a fair amount of storytelling that must propel the story that may require accentuating things for the audience as well.
No matter what I think though about those minute details, I do like it seems to be done with thought and respect.
And, I do think her statement about not knowing what type of person Sherlock was, was quite telling by the writers.
I think so, mostly. I asked my wife how accurate it was, and she said, pretty close. I do get a bit of the robotic voice and difficulty with the eye contact, especially if I'm stressed (pretty much all Asperger tendencies of mine magnify under stress). I tend to speak in a very formal way, so the whole binary thing isn't that far off. I just figured that was partly due to her writing code for a living. I tend to sound like I'm lecturing a class of college students, because my parents were both professors, and Dad probably had Asperger's.
The extremely neat, fashionable apartment? Hell, no! It's one of my worst executive function issues. I joke to people that I decorate my home in Early Crime Scene, because it looks like someone ransacked it. However, I notice that pretty much everybody in the show seems to have a $1 million apartment in a fashionable neighborhood and an endless clothing budget, no matter what their income is. I WANT Joan Watson's clothes. And figure.
I did think they exaggerated the "can't tell a lie" thing. I can lie, just not at all convincingly. I'd have to have several minutes to think of a lie that might be believed by someone older than 6. Fiona does say she can lie, but that she chooses not to.
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Thanks for that.
I'm not good at cleaning either. Early crime scene. I will have to use that.
I'm not comfortable with eye contact, but I don't think I'm as bad as she is.
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I'm not good at cleaning either. Early crime scene. I will have to use that.
I'm not comfortable with eye contact, but I don't think I'm as bad as she is.
It varies with me. If I am comfortable with someone and not stressed, I can do consistent eye contact. It's harder with strangers, and very hard if someone is angry with me, or I feel embarrassed. I was talking about it with my wife, and she said I didn't do consistent eye contact for the first 10 years of our marriage! I had no idea. She said I tended to look over her head or focused my eyes through her.
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I was thinking about the cluttered space. Unfortunately I'm a bit of a pack rat. Not a hoarder, but don't want to let go of things. My wife is far less so than me.
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