Starting to believe the Aspie Haters. :(

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Lately I feel like NT's who are not autism friendly and autistic people who are very negative about it are the ones who really are right, and everything I believed and stood up for was wrong. Why not, I've been wrong nearly my whole life. I guess we really are all just a bunch of freaks and losers who don't deserve a decent life. We're slow, dumb, weird, and all we care about are worthless things that no one else gives a you-know-what about. Albert Einstein didn't have Asperger's but Hitler did, and saying it's our right to be what we are and we don't need a cure makes us radicals who aren't fair to parents of severely autistic children. We're wasting money and resources and we should just all be killed off.

If that's what the majority of NT's think, then they must be right, right? because they're always right. I get it. I'm tired of fighting it and I just want to give up. Maybe I'll become a serial killer because that's what I'm supposed to be, anyway. At least it'll get me out of the apartment more often. I'd like to go kill me some psychiatrists and politicians, but people tend to notice when they go missing after a couple days. That's why a lot of killers tend to prey on elderly people and prostitutes. Poisoning is less bloody than guns and sharp objects, and the victims usually die really horribly, but as if I'm going to be just able to just sneak it into their food in public. Another thing I'll just stink at doing.

I live a life of isolation and sometimes I feel so down I can't even focus on my video games.

Hitler didn't have aspergers

The world is full of a ton of hate, but honestly there is still lots of good in it! It gets rough at times, I know this too. I'm not trying to lecture- but I strongly feel it's best to focus on the positive even though its super hard. This is advice I know I need to follow as well.

I'm just someone on the internet.. however I really do hope things get better for you. I don't like seeing people sad

Sorry that you are feeling that way. I feel like that sometimes myself.

It's hard when everyone has always been telling me how terrible I am my entire life, for me to see anything other than the worst aspects of myself. It's hard not to believe them. All I can do is try to make my life better, and to be able to accept my positive characteristics as well as the negative. Because sometimes it really is difficult to believe the compliments I receive, and to not just brush them off.

when we're feeling depressed we tend to only focus on the negative, honestly asperger/autistic people have a hell of a lot to offer the world, people just often don't give them the chance they deserve or take any time to get to know who they really are. i guess it happens when we have limited interests and don't really try to initiate any sort of contact with others. either way, focusing on the negative just brings more of it, be yourself, love what you love, even if it's just that one weird thing.

The usually convincing argument is more like, "They are successful in life with their ideas, while you're an absolute failure with yours, so chances are they're right and you're wrong".

The truth probably lies somewhere in between these two extremes.
We can be a burden on resources, but so can others with other challenges.
And we do offer an interesting and sometimes useful perspective.


Why do you think that? You determine what you are, there is no "supposed to be."

You may hate Aspies,
I have mercy for people who have so much hate in their heart.

Hate is frustration.
I love Aspies.

Yes, there is a lot of resentment against people with autism spectrum disorders, but it is mainly due to very high-functioning and "successful" Aspergers in power positions, or high-functioning Asprgers who reject the negative part of their way of being.

All in all, neurodiversity is quite important for humankind. Neurotypicity and autism should be considered more like a yin- and -yang kind of relationship with a balance that needs to be kept.

Slowness, and to a certain degree also weirdness, as troublesome as it can be, is a good thing for the society as a whole. Many people (some Aspergers above all, but also NTs) tend to stress themselves and others to much, and it is good to have people that show that it is possible to live and do much less, that are able to question things from a different perspective and that - even if unvoluntarily - focus much more on the basic things.
Unfortunatley there are not so many Aspergers that have a truly zen-like attitude to their life, but it is something I would strive for, if I was Asperger, and which has been an insipration for me in some of the Aspergers I know.

Aspergers are not dumb. They have no sense for the more complex issues in life, but sometimes they can also remind us that at most things are in fact pretty simple and call for simple action .

As for the money and resources, it is not a waste, not only for the above reasons. Spending money keeps the economy going, and it is always better to spend money for some good reason (e.g. supporting Aspergers who need the support) than to spend it for some bad reason (like military expenditures or higher salaries to people that are already overpaid). No reason to feel bad about it. Even if many people are much less generous than I am. They are simply wrong. Try to give something back to the society if you can, in one way or in another. But if you cant, you cant.

It's that the truth. Even though I had loving parents, being told over and over again how everybody hates, you, nobody would miss you, people would murder you if they could not matter how kind and caring I was can royally mess you up more than any gang beatings. I am getting married to an absolutely wonderful woman and I still can't shake the feeling she is not genuine even though I know she is and so is her love for me. Of course, the previously one kept saying that even as she was abusing me so that didn't help either.

As 886 said, it's also a case where it seems that nobody gets how talented we are because we blend to the background. For example, the building operator is beyond incompetent where I work but since he was been there since day one, nobody seems to clue to as to how much time and money he wastes. Meanwhile, I am so talented at my job everyone thinks it is easy. I'm actually taking a sabbatical and it will be fun to see (my role) fall apart at the seams because only people with aspie-like skills can do it successfully.

There's no way to know for certain, but I have seen reports that suspect that Einstein was AS.

There are quite a number of people that are suspected of being AS like:
Abraham Lincoln,1809-1865, US President
Al Gore, 1948-, former US Vice President and presidential candidate
Alexander Graham Bell, 1847-1922, Scottish/Canadian/American inventor of the telephone
Alfred Hitchcock, 1899-1980, English/American film director
Andy Kaufman, 1949-1984, US comedian, subject of the film Man on the Moon
Andy Warhol, 1928-1987, US artist.
Benjamin Franklin,1706-1790, US polictician/writer
Bill Gates, 1955-, Entrepreneur and philanthropist. A key player in the personal computer revolution.
Bob Dylan, 1941-, US singer-songwriter
Bobby Fischer, 1943-2008, World Chess Champion
Carl Jung, 1875-1961, Swiss psychoanalyst
Charles Schulz, 1922-2000, US cartoonist and creator of Peanuts and Charlie Brown
Franz Kafka, 1883-1924, Czech writer
Friedrich Nietzsche, 1844-1900, German philosopher
Garrison Keillor, 1942-, US writer, humorist and host of Prairie Home Companion
Gary Numan, British singer and songwriter
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950, Irish playwright, writer of Pygmalion, critic and Socialist
George Washington, 1732-1799, US President
Henry Ford, 1863-1947, US industrialist
Howard Hughes, 1905-1976, US billionaire
Isaac Asimov, 1920-1992, Russian/US writer on science and of science fiction, author of Bicentennial Man
Jamie Hyneman, 1956-, Co-host of Mythbusters
Jim Henson, 1936-1990, creator of the Muppets, US puppeteer, writer, producer, director, composer
John Denver, 1943-1997, US musician
Ludwig II, 1845-1886, King of Bavaria
Mark Twain, 1835-1910, US humorist
Michael Palin, 1943-, English comedian of Monty Python
Michelangelo, 1475 1564 - Italian Renissance artist
Nikola Tesla, 1856-1943, Serbian/American scientist, engineer, inventor of electric motors
Robin Williams, 1951-, US Actor
Satoshi Tajiri, creator and designer of Pokemon
Thomas Edison, 1847-1931, US inventor
Thomas Jefferson, 1743-1826, US politician
Vincent Van Gogh, 1853-1890, Dutch painter
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, 1756-1791, Austrian composer

...and my personal favorite:





I know that feeling all too well.

Don't become a serial killer, please. Some NT's I've been associated with think I might be a serial killer. My response to them is a pun (cereal killer): "yeah, I every chance I get, I stab a box corn flakes with a butcher knife."

A lot aspies hate NTs too. NTs also hate each and kill each other more than aspies. I think NTs worry about and hate other NTs more than spergs.

ahhhh....the human condition.

It's hard not to hate those that hate you but I try not to think about them, I'm not apart of their world and they aren't part of mine. It's disability and an especially cruel one that can't be seen or truly appreciated in short encounters, people don't think of social deficits as a disability since they socialization as a right and if you can't function in society and they can't see or comprehend your disability then they're going to say you're lazy or stupid or bad person or whatever because everyone has their own victim complex and thinks they have it worse than everybody else and that they should have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and all that junk.

I don't know what to say, I've always hated this narrative that us on the spectrum have all these special unique abilities and that all these super successful people have it when the reality of most of situations are bleaker than almost any other disability. Something like 80% of us are unemployed, most of us aren't in any relationships, a lot of us struggle to even be independent so when we have this garbage about Albert Einstein or whoever screamed from the mountain top it does us all a disservice. People that are paralyzed have higher employment and have significant others and kids, most of us don't. Unless you're Albert frickin Einstein, that's an impossible standard to up live up to. I don't think I'm a savant, I suck at math, the stereotypes aren't any more true than they are with any grouping. We need to stand up for ourselves and made our disability known in order to receive the accommodations that we need.

The last sentence.

If you look at the biographies of the seemingly successful people on the spectrum, it turns out that they are actually not that successful. Einstein for example had an unhappy first marriage with Mileva Maric. Their 3 children: the eldest daughter who probably did not survive early childhood due to a severe congenital handicap. Einstein was not even interested in seeing "poor Marie", which might have contributed to Mileva s depression and alienatation. The youngest son had been a quite peculiar and very sensitive boy, he studied psychiatry, but could not finish, because he was institutionalized for the rest of his life due to mental problems. Again his father showed no big interest in him. The elder son, and engineer was told by his parents not to marry, apparently they were very afraid of genetic defects and quite surprised-suspiscious when the baby appeared to be normal. You should also not forget that Einstein married a cousin who seem to have shared some of his quirks, but had a lot of affairs apart.

On top of all that comes the discussion about whether his first wife was not contributing more to what Einstein calls in letters to her "our work of the relativity movement" and "our theory". Einstein said in 1903 "I need my wife, she is solving all the mathematics for me" and she who got first interested in a problem adjacent to the relativity theory and even went to Heidelberg to study the subject with the right professor, writes later to a friend: "We have finished an important work which will make my husband world-famous". The assistant to the editor-in-chief who published some of the articles written in the so-called "miracle year" 1905 is quoted in one book about the subject that he has seen the Hungarian version of her maiden name "Einstein-Marity" as the author on three manuscripts.

Apart from the first sentence, I would exactly say the opposite:
- Aspergers hate and kill each other and people on the spectrum more than NTs.
- Aspergers worry and hate other people on the spectrum more than NTs.

My arguments can be found on https://de.pinterest.com/gertrud4617/au ... in-und-se/. How about yours?

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