20 May 2005, 2:13 pm
1)......The Question?
"Death of WrongPlanet that was? is that so?"
2).....Statements by Ghosthunter!
The main body of yesterday's thesis and
SCOLDING!
Scold! Scold! Scold! wrote:
The point is when we
start inclusiving newby's and don't allow full
expression, we are no different than those
PG13 sites that don't do root issues without
fear of being chucked for offending the majority.
I, and others came off rough, but that is releasing
venom so healing begins, and no fear should
reside in this WrongPlanet House to hinder that
growth. From what I have been seeing it seems
that alot of the newby's think seclusion is the key,
IT IS NOT and those poor souls who need PG17's
WrongPlanet won't have it.
Like I said earlier, I was a stranger once here like
so many others. If I saw the PG13 level here
I was or would have wasted my time and all that
was left were POLITE ONLY SITES, but venom
doesn't see politness as a release to for future
growth.
The ignore button and inclusion talk make me feel
for the future, not the present, for we will pass.
Let not the unknown Pryaxis's, ect.... be not treated'
like just guests because of venomous fears of others.
Hmmmmmm?
P.S I am not writing this for me, I am just stating
the state of affairs as they seem to be evolving.
"Hmmmm-there be your dark cave, let it not consume
you" would be a good way of saying it to.
start inclusiving newby's and don't allow full
expression, we are no different than those
PG13 sites that don't do root issues without
fear of being chucked for offending the majority.
I, and others came off rough, but that is releasing
venom so healing begins, and no fear should
reside in this WrongPlanet House to hinder that
growth. From what I have been seeing it seems
that alot of the newby's think seclusion is the key,
IT IS NOT and those poor souls who need PG17's
WrongPlanet won't have it.
Like I said earlier, I was a stranger once here like
so many others. If I saw the PG13 level here
I was or would have wasted my time and all that
was left were POLITE ONLY SITES, but venom
doesn't see politness as a release to for future
growth.
The ignore button and inclusion talk make me feel
for the future, not the present, for we will pass.
Let not the unknown Pryaxis's, ect.... be not treated'
like just guests because of venomous fears of others.
Hmmmmmm?
P.S I am not writing this for me, I am just stating
the state of affairs as they seem to be evolving.
"Hmmmm-there be your dark cave, let it not consume
you" would be a good way of saying it to.
This is yesterday's original Forum.
5/19/05' wrote:
Author Message
Ghosthunter
Phoenix
Joined: Mar 20, 2005
Posts: 775
Location: San Francisco
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 12:10 pm
Post subject: Death and the infinite change!
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1).....The Question?
"Death of WrongPlanet that was, is that so?"
2).....Statements by Ghosthunter
Death #1 wrote:
"Death and infinite change are constant. I haven't
seen the death of the hostel yet, and he is dragging
out the change cycle for me by delaying the 3 day
validation that I lived there. He doesn't keep
good paperwork on purpose, and all I have is hours
logged but not official paperwork.
I leave with nothing but cash, and would have left
with nothing but cash, and a 3 day notice that carried
no rights in my behalf if I didn't allow this death to
occur for infinite change to other directions.
Death #2 wrote:
"Death and the infinite self. I bled, cried, and tore
at myself to see a better wholer me. I wandered
lost in the jungle of confusion, and can say I am
currently as whole as possible. What also brought
this mood is the "Curious Incident of the dog at night
-time" reading. This is good. A effective book brings
thought, feelings and emotions that one normally
doesn't display. What further saddens me is the
death of this site called WrongPlanet. Call it foreboding,
call it fate, or whatever you will, it is death and infinite
in true form.
When I started this site, people talked, and expressed
with feeling. And I embraced this so my jungle of
mystery wouldn't be one. The further statements
will bring ignore buttons, and I will risk that. I see
death in all form around me, and must accept it
so new things can form.
1)...I am but one person. The openness is slowly
being aborded by people who must hide in paranoia
of not being seen by others not related to themselves
(AS against NT's) and talk of inclusionary pages for
just themselves and all that this site was is no more.
PG13 is all that is left and Death and the Infinite
consumption will have rode it's course.
2)...We all gather here in communication, not fear.
I fear posting this but must understand
that Death takes it's own into infinite change.
I would have not been able to free myself from my
fears to express under the next generation WrongPlanet
site, I would have to hide in my StarTrek parodies, but
This Ignore button, and Inclusive posting must bring
forth these words, and the death of the lost one in
a silent world that needed this so they don't have to
pop med's and hide in fear. I do not and if this too
is the direction this site is going I embrace my death
and it's infinite change and grieve for the children and
adults lost in all hells that are consumed in fear of self
and being and OTHERS. I will not hide my feeling on
this no longer, and left fear and grieve for those who
can't confront them here, and I myself realizing
that Deaths infinite change is upon us all, You Choose
your death. I may go homeless, but that is with fear,
but not internal fear this site is suppose to help solve,
NOT BE INCLUSIVE AND HIDE FEAR ITSELF. I will
continue posting but if I get ignore buttons I understand.
If I am ignored, I understand and let Death's Infinite
consume us all in our own unique choices and I WILL
NOT BE SILENT NO MORE, I SHOULDN'T FEAR
EXPRESSING HERE, NOR SHOULD ANYONE ELSE.
Ghosthunter
Phoenix
Joined: Mar 20, 2005
Posts: 775
Location: San Francisco
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 12:10 pm
Post subject: Death and the infinite change!
-----------------------------------------
1).....The Question?
"Death of WrongPlanet that was, is that so?"
2).....Statements by Ghosthunter
Death #1 wrote:
"Death and infinite change are constant. I haven't
seen the death of the hostel yet, and he is dragging
out the change cycle for me by delaying the 3 day
validation that I lived there. He doesn't keep
good paperwork on purpose, and all I have is hours
logged but not official paperwork.
I leave with nothing but cash, and would have left
with nothing but cash, and a 3 day notice that carried
no rights in my behalf if I didn't allow this death to
occur for infinite change to other directions.
Death #2 wrote:
"Death and the infinite self. I bled, cried, and tore
at myself to see a better wholer me. I wandered
lost in the jungle of confusion, and can say I am
currently as whole as possible. What also brought
this mood is the "Curious Incident of the dog at night
-time" reading. This is good. A effective book brings
thought, feelings and emotions that one normally
doesn't display. What further saddens me is the
death of this site called WrongPlanet. Call it foreboding,
call it fate, or whatever you will, it is death and infinite
in true form.
When I started this site, people talked, and expressed
with feeling. And I embraced this so my jungle of
mystery wouldn't be one. The further statements
will bring ignore buttons, and I will risk that. I see
death in all form around me, and must accept it
so new things can form.
1)...I am but one person. The openness is slowly
being aborded by people who must hide in paranoia
of not being seen by others not related to themselves
(AS against NT's) and talk of inclusionary pages for
just themselves and all that this site was is no more.
PG13 is all that is left and Death and the Infinite
consumption will have rode it's course.
2)...We all gather here in communication, not fear.
I fear posting this but must understand
that Death takes it's own into infinite change.
I would have not been able to free myself from my
fears to express under the next generation WrongPlanet
site, I would have to hide in my StarTrek parodies, but
This Ignore button, and Inclusive posting must bring
forth these words, and the death of the lost one in
a silent world that needed this so they don't have to
pop med's and hide in fear. I do not and if this too
is the direction this site is going I embrace my death
and it's infinite change and grieve for the children and
adults lost in all hells that are consumed in fear of self
and being and OTHERS. I will not hide my feeling on
this no longer, and left fear and grieve for those who
can't confront them here, and I myself realizing
that Deaths infinite change is upon us all, You Choose
your death. I may go homeless, but that is with fear,
but not internal fear this site is suppose to help solve,
NOT BE INCLUSIVE AND HIDE FEAR ITSELF. I will
continue posting but if I get ignore buttons I understand.
If I am ignored, I understand and let Death's Infinite
consume us all in our own unique choices and I WILL
NOT BE SILENT NO MORE, I SHOULDN'T FEAR
EXPRESSING HERE, NOR SHOULD ANYONE ELSE.
This is a forebodding to the new guard who forgot
what change is and why WrongPlanet exists. It is
not a inclusive site and if you want to fear, fear fear
itself, and don't create it here. The fact I fear posting
this, yet 3 months ago I didn't is already the beginning
of Death and it's Infinite Consumption that the newby's
have brought, and after leaving fear, I WILL NOT
return to it!! !! !! Grieve for the future person you will
Hurt! Ignore button or not, the fear to post feeling
here at wrongplanet is the day that it isn't wrongplanet.
Thanks for this fear factor that wouldn't of healed me
in your future reign if it had been yours and only yours
site:evil:
These are points of view, take them as you will!
dragon2fire wrote:
Butterfly
Joined: May 18, 2005
Posts: 16
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:42 pm
Post subject: help me understand
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I am posting this here because it is in large
part in regards to a thered in this forum feel
free to move it mods if i am mistaken in doing
this. A memeber of this forum recently asked
me not to respone to there post.... so i am not
asking that person they are welcome to respone
though. I am trying to understand what excuatly
i did that was so offensive as to invoke the anger
of this person.
i would appericate any ones inputBack to top
Joined: May 18, 2005
Posts: 16
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:42 pm
Post subject: help me understand
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I am posting this here because it is in large
part in regards to a thered in this forum feel
free to move it mods if i am mistaken in doing
this. A memeber of this forum recently asked
me not to respone to there post.... so i am not
asking that person they are welcome to respone
though. I am trying to understand what excuatly
i did that was so offensive as to invoke the anger
of this person.
i would appericate any ones inputBack to top
Sean wrote:
Deinonychus
Joined: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 349
Location: The Peoples Republic of California
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:18 pm
Post subject:
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I searched through all of your posts and cannot
find anything offensive in them. Perhaps they
are still concerned that you are here to conduct
some sort of quack research project. Quite frankly,
I'm still slightly concerned about that, but I feel
that the greater evil would be to deny someone
the opportunity to be better understood by their
friend. I believe that innocent until proven guilty
is the best approach to this matter and find it highly
regrettabe that you received such a cold welcome
here. While I am by no means condoning this
behavior, the best explaination to what happened is
that, in addition to members having past problems
with psychology majors, you joined at a time that
this site is experiencing growing pains. You might
want to consider PMing the Moderators to get the
matter resolved and prevent this from happening
to anyone else in the future.
Welcome to WP.Back to top
Joined: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 349
Location: The Peoples Republic of California
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:18 pm
Post subject:
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I searched through all of your posts and cannot
find anything offensive in them. Perhaps they
are still concerned that you are here to conduct
some sort of quack research project. Quite frankly,
I'm still slightly concerned about that, but I feel
that the greater evil would be to deny someone
the opportunity to be better understood by their
friend. I believe that innocent until proven guilty
is the best approach to this matter and find it highly
regrettabe that you received such a cold welcome
here. While I am by no means condoning this
behavior, the best explaination to what happened is
that, in addition to members having past problems
with psychology majors, you joined at a time that
this site is experiencing growing pains. You might
want to consider PMing the Moderators to get the
matter resolved and prevent this from happening
to anyone else in the future.
Welcome to WP.Back to top
dragon2fire wrote:
Butterfly
Joined: May 18, 2005
Posts: 16
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:28 pm
Post subject:
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thank you for the welcome sean and the explantion
.....what can i do really to show i am not here doing
reserach for a project thoughBack to top
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Posts: 16
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:28 pm
Post subject:
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thank you for the welcome sean and the explantion
.....what can i do really to show i am not here doing
reserach for a project thoughBack to top
Sean wrote:
Deinonychus
Joined: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 349
Location: The Peoples Republic of California
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:31 pm
Post subject:
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Apart from giving people time, that question
would be better answered by the moderators.
Joined: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 349
Location: The Peoples Republic of California
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:31 pm
Post subject:
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Apart from giving people time, that question
would be better answered by the moderators.
Sean wrote:
Deinonychus
Joined: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 365
Location: The Peoples Republic of California
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:53 pm
Post subject:
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Hopefully your friend will identify himself soon
so I can get to know him.Back to top
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Posts: 365
Location: The Peoples Republic of California
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:53 pm
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Hopefully your friend will identify himself soon
so I can get to know him.Back to top
Civet wrote:
Hawk (Site Admin)
Joined: Jul 09, 2004
Posts: 897
Location: In my head
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 10:27 pm
Post subject:
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Hi dragon2fire,
I am also a bit confused about such behavior.
I agree with Sean, people seem to be nervous
that you are either lying about your position as
a psych major or you are here to conduct invalid
studies and research.
I do not really beleive such things, though I have
been known to be naive. Anyway, I think you should
state your purpose here more clearly, and perhaps
that will help other members understand your reasons
for being here. Your introduction post was brief,
and uninformative. If we understand better where
you are coming from, it might be easier for members
to warm up to you.
Unfortunately, as Sean said, you've come at a bit of
a bad time, as you might have noticed in the ongoing
debates in some other threads. This is also probably
part of the reason why you recieved such a response.
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Posts: 897
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 10:27 pm
Post subject:
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Hi dragon2fire,
I am also a bit confused about such behavior.
I agree with Sean, people seem to be nervous
that you are either lying about your position as
a psych major or you are here to conduct invalid
studies and research.
I do not really beleive such things, though I have
been known to be naive. Anyway, I think you should
state your purpose here more clearly, and perhaps
that will help other members understand your reasons
for being here. Your introduction post was brief,
and uninformative. If we understand better where
you are coming from, it might be easier for members
to warm up to you.
Unfortunately, as Sean said, you've come at a bit of
a bad time, as you might have noticed in the ongoing
debates in some other threads. This is also probably
part of the reason why you recieved such a response.
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psychic wrote:
Tufted Titmouse
Joined: Jul 23, 2004
Posts: 33
Location: Jordan
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 10:46 pm
Post subject:
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I am really surprised by all of this. I've checked
out the thread you are refering to, and I've found it
to be very unusual! I am also shocked by the replies
to your post! I didn't know that people here are
actually contemplating so hard about each other's
intentions! I thought forums were about talking
freely and expressing your view whomever you
are and wherever you are. Who cares about a
researcher shooting some questions around!??!
or a Psychology major! or even an intruding NT!
Before coming to this forum I used to post on the
IIDB (internet infidels discussion board). It was a
forum with the highest intellectual standards. I left
that and came here looking for more light-hearted
discussions. On the IIDB (which is supposed to be a
site for atheism) we had many religous people
intruding and posting all kinds of arguements. We
were a bit annoyed, but we weren't disrepectful
and we didn't complain. Diversity in thought and
backgrounds is always a postive things.
I always wondered about the exclusion of NTs from
this forum. Why shut off the different perspective NTs
can have about our problems and struggles. wouldn't
you like to compare your worries to those of an NT?
I think they can help us understand more about life,
and particulary understand why, and in what ways
we are different.
Anyway, I hope things will get better around here.
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Joined: Jul 23, 2004
Posts: 33
Location: Jordan
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 10:46 pm
Post subject:
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I am really surprised by all of this. I've checked
out the thread you are refering to, and I've found it
to be very unusual! I am also shocked by the replies
to your post! I didn't know that people here are
actually contemplating so hard about each other's
intentions! I thought forums were about talking
freely and expressing your view whomever you
are and wherever you are. Who cares about a
researcher shooting some questions around!??!
or a Psychology major! or even an intruding NT!
Before coming to this forum I used to post on the
IIDB (internet infidels discussion board). It was a
forum with the highest intellectual standards. I left
that and came here looking for more light-hearted
discussions. On the IIDB (which is supposed to be a
site for atheism) we had many religous people
intruding and posting all kinds of arguements. We
were a bit annoyed, but we weren't disrepectful
and we didn't complain. Diversity in thought and
backgrounds is always a postive things.
I always wondered about the exclusion of NTs from
this forum. Why shut off the different perspective NTs
can have about our problems and struggles. wouldn't
you like to compare your worries to those of an NT?
I think they can help us understand more about life,
and particulary understand why, and in what ways
we are different.
Anyway, I hope things will get better around here.
Back to top
magic wrote:
Hawk (Site Admin)
Joined: Jul 02, 2004
Posts: 738
Location: US; male, 33
Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:44 am
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I am shocked by the situation that has developed
in our community. I agree completely with psychic.
WrongPlanet never discriminated against a genetic
make-up, and I will extend every effort to make
sure that this does not change.Back to top
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Posts: 738
Location: US; male, 33
Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:44 am
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I am shocked by the situation that has developed
in our community. I agree completely with psychic.
WrongPlanet never discriminated against a genetic
make-up, and I will extend every effort to make
sure that this does not change.Back to top
Civet wrote:
Hawk (Site Admin)
Joined: Jul 09, 2004
Posts: 897
Location: In my head
Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:56 am
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I should also say, I am upset by the members' reaction
to you, and I agree with psychic and magic. Sorry if
my initial post came off as sounding cold, as it was not
my intent, but as I reread it, it seems like it was.
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:56 am
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I should also say, I am upset by the members' reaction
to you, and I agree with psychic and magic. Sorry if
my initial post came off as sounding cold, as it was not
my intent, but as I reread it, it seems like it was.
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dragon2fire wrote:
Hummingbird
Joined: May 18, 2005
Posts: 22
Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 2:01 am
Post subject:
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Civet wrote:
I should also say, I am upset by the members'
reaction to you, and I agree with psychic and magic.
Sorry if my initial post came off as sounding cold, as
it was not my intent, but as I reread it, it seems like
it was.
Firist thank you for the clariafation i do apperaict
your support its good to know the admins here are
nice people.
second i see what ya mean but its not how i saw it
at all......i saw it as efforting to answer my question
and i thank you for that as well Back to top
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Posts: 22
Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 2:01 am
Post subject:
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Civet wrote:
I should also say, I am upset by the members'
reaction to you, and I agree with psychic and magic.
Sorry if my initial post came off as sounding cold, as
it was not my intent, but as I reread it, it seems like
it was.
Firist thank you for the clariafation i do apperaict
your support its good to know the admins here are
nice people.
second i see what ya mean but its not how i saw it
at all......i saw it as efforting to answer my question
and i thank you for that as well Back to top
BlackLigera wrote:
Deinonychus
Joined: Apr 22, 2005
Posts: 324
Location: Right behind you with an M112 Assault Rifle
Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 2:30 am
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I'm shoving my nose in here:
It can't really be a reasonable project if you did do
one on the WP members (Not saying you are,
explaining why it wouldnt be accepted even if you
were) With out our permission, written and signed,
no research about us can be legally accepted under
ethics laws.
Basicly, it would violate Infomed consent, Withdrawl and
Protection of Participants.... To start.
So I doubt he is doing research. Especially seeing
anyone doing psychology should simply be smart
enough to ASK for permission.
_________________
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GOD OF ALL THINGS ROCK!
Neva Mess with da Liger
Also, visit www.thefinalcause.tk for some rock!
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Joined: Apr 22, 2005
Posts: 324
Location: Right behind you with an M112 Assault Rifle
Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 2:30 am
Post subject:
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I'm shoving my nose in here:
It can't really be a reasonable project if you did do
one on the WP members (Not saying you are,
explaining why it wouldnt be accepted even if you
were) With out our permission, written and signed,
no research about us can be legally accepted under
ethics laws.
Basicly, it would violate Infomed consent, Withdrawl and
Protection of Participants.... To start.
So I doubt he is doing research. Especially seeing
anyone doing psychology should simply be smart
enough to ASK for permission.
_________________
BLACKLIGER
GOD OF ALL THINGS ROCK!
Neva Mess with da Liger
Also, visit www.thefinalcause.tk for some rock!
Seen on a bumper sticker
"If you can read this then I have lost my caravan."
magic wrote:
Hawk (Site Admin)
Joined: Jul 02, 2004
Posts: 738
Location: US; male, 33
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:33 pm
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tallgirl wrote:
All I was trying to do was get those people,
NTs, who don't have a loved one with AS, nor
are they themselves autistic, but are here b/c
they are geeky and decide that this is the
forum for them. It clearly is NOT. [...] Is
everyone on the same page?
No, I don't understand your reasoning. If a geek
(or even a "full-blown" NT) comes here, likes our
company, and we like her or him, what's the
problem? I don't know about you, but I can use
more friends and allies. Do you believe that the
board is currently overrun by NTs to such an
extent that special measures must be taken?
Noetic wrote:
I've had posts from here cross-posted elsewhere
by someone before to 'prove' their delusions about
me and elsewhere [...]
Noetic, please contact moderators if this happens
again. We try to protect the content from cross-posting
without permission (especially from member-only areas).
If we are aware of such an incident, we try to contact
administrators of the other site and persuade them to
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Posts: 738
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:33 pm
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tallgirl wrote:
All I was trying to do was get those people,
NTs, who don't have a loved one with AS, nor
are they themselves autistic, but are here b/c
they are geeky and decide that this is the
forum for them. It clearly is NOT. [...] Is
everyone on the same page?
No, I don't understand your reasoning. If a geek
(or even a "full-blown" NT) comes here, likes our
company, and we like her or him, what's the
problem? I don't know about you, but I can use
more friends and allies. Do you believe that the
board is currently overrun by NTs to such an
extent that special measures must be taken?
Noetic wrote:
I've had posts from here cross-posted elsewhere
by someone before to 'prove' their delusions about
me and elsewhere [...]
Noetic, please contact moderators if this happens
again. We try to protect the content from cross-posting
without permission (especially from member-only areas).
If we are aware of such an incident, we try to contact
administrators of the other site and persuade them to
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Sean wrote:
Deinonychus
Joined: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 365
Location: The Peoples Republic of California
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:56 pm
Post subject:
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Short of exmaminig someone's medical record or
getting a letter from their doctor, there no way to
secure a special "AS only" forum. People can
pretend to be anything they want over the internet.
The best that could be hoped for is a special forum
that people gain access to based on their reputation
on this site. Howevwer, even dong that would still
alienate hundreds of people with a legitimate
purpose for being on this site. I strongly feel that
this discussion needs to be ended while differences
are relatively easy to resolve.Back to top
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Posts: 365
Location: The Peoples Republic of California
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:56 pm
Post subject:
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Short of exmaminig someone's medical record or
getting a letter from their doctor, there no way to
secure a special "AS only" forum. People can
pretend to be anything they want over the internet.
The best that could be hoped for is a special forum
that people gain access to based on their reputation
on this site. Howevwer, even dong that would still
alienate hundreds of people with a legitimate
purpose for being on this site. I strongly feel that
this discussion needs to be ended while differences
are relatively easy to resolve.Back to top
duncvis wrote:
Forum Moderator
Joined: Sep 11, 2004
Posts: 1114
Location: yorks
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 7:03 pm
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I agree strongly with that. And personally I will
argue against any measure on this forum which
serves to create divisions.
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 7:03 pm
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I agree strongly with that. And personally I will
argue against any measure on this forum which
serves to create divisions.
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Civet wrote:
Hawk (Site Admin)
Joined: Jul 09, 2004
Posts: 897
Location: In my head
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 10:16 pm
Post subject:
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Quote:
I said repeatedly that I didn't think anyone
should be excluded, but those people, who
have no business becoming a member and
reading our 'member only' discussions and
posting their opinions, should do the right thing
and remove themselves.
Ok, I have been thinking this over. Originally
I said I thought an "aspies only" forum might work,
but the more I turn it over in my head, the more
it seems like a bad idea.
My first question for you is: who is to decide who
has "no business becoming a member"? I find your
views to be rather elitist, even if that is not your
intention. It concerns me that this forum is making
a move in the direction of aggressively excluding others.
I know we have had some trouble in the past, but I think
it is better to give people a chance, rather than slam the
door in their face before they are even able to get
aquainted with us.
I think a "aspies only" forum will detract from the
meaningful discussions in the other areas of the site,
of which all members have access to. It also promotes
an inclusive sort of "club." Third, it creates another level
of "us" vs. "them," which is something I thought we all
wanted to remove from the interaction between aspie
and NT. Aspies are often excluded from everyday NT
society, why do you want to isolate people with AS
further?
I do understand the issue of privacy, but if there are
things about your private life you do not want others
to read, then I suggest you do not post them here.
And what, really, is the problem with people reading
what you've written? You don't know them in real life,
do you? It has no effect on you, whatsoever. If you are
truly concerned, you can PM your very private thoughts
to members whom you trust, and that way, you will not
have to worry about anyone else reading it. Many
members here are very receptive to others' worries
and problems, and you would most likely get a response
from atleast one of them.
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Joined: Jul 09, 2004
Posts: 897
Location: In my head
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 10:16 pm
Post subject:
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Quote:
I said repeatedly that I didn't think anyone
should be excluded, but those people, who
have no business becoming a member and
reading our 'member only' discussions and
posting their opinions, should do the right thing
and remove themselves.
Ok, I have been thinking this over. Originally
I said I thought an "aspies only" forum might work,
but the more I turn it over in my head, the more
it seems like a bad idea.
My first question for you is: who is to decide who
has "no business becoming a member"? I find your
views to be rather elitist, even if that is not your
intention. It concerns me that this forum is making
a move in the direction of aggressively excluding others.
I know we have had some trouble in the past, but I think
it is better to give people a chance, rather than slam the
door in their face before they are even able to get
aquainted with us.
I think a "aspies only" forum will detract from the
meaningful discussions in the other areas of the site,
of which all members have access to. It also promotes
an inclusive sort of "club." Third, it creates another level
of "us" vs. "them," which is something I thought we all
wanted to remove from the interaction between aspie
and NT. Aspies are often excluded from everyday NT
society, why do you want to isolate people with AS
further?
I do understand the issue of privacy, but if there are
things about your private life you do not want others
to read, then I suggest you do not post them here.
And what, really, is the problem with people reading
what you've written? You don't know them in real life,
do you? It has no effect on you, whatsoever. If you are
truly concerned, you can PM your very private thoughts
to members whom you trust, and that way, you will not
have to worry about anyone else reading it. Many
members here are very receptive to others' worries
and problems, and you would most likely get a response
from atleast one of them.
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MishLuvsHer2Boys wrote:
Velociraptor
Joined: Oct 09, 2004
Posts: 430
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 11:11 pm
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I wouldn't feel comfortable with an Aspies-only forum.
We are here to be a community not divided entities.
And no there is no category for NTs that have 'friends
on the spectrum' or are just interested in learning more.
We need all the allies and potential friends we can get,
not bashing NTs and such, they need to be better educated.
Can't alienate those that wish to gain knowledge to
understand us better and can't alienate NTs be they
geeks or such because then it makes us look like we're
not better than the ignorant NTs that have no desire to
understand but there are NTs that do and they need to
be educated so they can teach tolerance to others.
Divide the community you destroy the entire purpose
of the forum: "resource and community".
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Mish (Michelle)
SAHM to 2 sons + Self-dx'd AS
Dylan Michael - 2/7/01 (dx'd w/Autism + SPD +
Oral/Verbal Apraxia + Suspected Hyperlexia)
Brendon Nicholas - 5/21/03 (NT + Advanced)
"Autism.... Go with it, Not against it!"Back to top
Joined: Oct 09, 2004
Posts: 430
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 11:11 pm
Post subject:
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I wouldn't feel comfortable with an Aspies-only forum.
We are here to be a community not divided entities.
And no there is no category for NTs that have 'friends
on the spectrum' or are just interested in learning more.
We need all the allies and potential friends we can get,
not bashing NTs and such, they need to be better educated.
Can't alienate those that wish to gain knowledge to
understand us better and can't alienate NTs be they
geeks or such because then it makes us look like we're
not better than the ignorant NTs that have no desire to
understand but there are NTs that do and they need to
be educated so they can teach tolerance to others.
Divide the community you destroy the entire purpose
of the forum: "resource and community".
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Mish (Michelle)
SAHM to 2 sons + Self-dx'd AS
Dylan Michael - 2/7/01 (dx'd w/Autism + SPD +
Oral/Verbal Apraxia + Suspected Hyperlexia)
Brendon Nicholas - 5/21/03 (NT + Advanced)
"Autism.... Go with it, Not against it!"Back to top
psychic wrote:
Tufted Titmouse
Joined: Jul 23, 2004
Posts: 33
Location: Jordan
Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 12:28 am
Post subject:
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Civet wrote:
Ok, I have been thinking this over.
Originally I said I thought an "aspies only" forum
might work, but the more I turn it over in my head,
the more it seems like a bad idea.
My first question for you is: who is to decide who
has "no business becoming a member"? I find your
views to be rather elitist, even if that is not your
intention. It concerns me that this forum is making
a move in the direction of aggressively excluding
others. I know we have had some trouble in the past,
but I think it is better to give people a chance, rather
than slam the door in their face before they are even
able to get aquainted with us.
I think a "aspies only" forum will detract from the
meaningful discussions in the other areas of the site,
of which all members have access to. It also promotes
an inclusive sort of "club." Third, it creates another
level of "us" vs. "them," which is something I thought
we all wanted to remove from the interaction between
aspie and NT. Aspies are often excluded from
everyday NT society, why do you want to isolate
people with AS further?
I do understand the issue of privacy, but if there are
things about your private life you do not want others
to read, then I suggest you do not post them here.
And what, really, is the problem with people reading
what you've written? You don't know them in real life,
do you? It has no effect on you, whatsoever. If you
are truly concerned, you can PM your very private
thoughts to members whom you trust, and that way,
you will not have to worry about anyone else reading
it. Many members here are very receptive to others'
worries and problems, and you would most likely get
a response from atleast one of them.
Now that's more like.
I was very pleased to read your post. I am glad
that the administrators of this site hold such a point
of view. Besides, apart of you being a site administrator,
I usually enjoy your posts and appreciate your level of
maturity. I think you are absolutely right, and you could
have been even more right if instead of using the word
"club" you used the word "cult"!
I may not be a dedicated poster on this site but I often
read a lot of the posts and only post if I feel like it. I
would really like this site to reach to a level where each
post is describing something so radically different from
the post above it and that belew it.Back to top
Joined: Jul 23, 2004
Posts: 33
Location: Jordan
Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 12:28 am
Post subject:
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Civet wrote:
Ok, I have been thinking this over.
Originally I said I thought an "aspies only" forum
might work, but the more I turn it over in my head,
the more it seems like a bad idea.
My first question for you is: who is to decide who
has "no business becoming a member"? I find your
views to be rather elitist, even if that is not your
intention. It concerns me that this forum is making
a move in the direction of aggressively excluding
others. I know we have had some trouble in the past,
but I think it is better to give people a chance, rather
than slam the door in their face before they are even
able to get aquainted with us.
I think a "aspies only" forum will detract from the
meaningful discussions in the other areas of the site,
of which all members have access to. It also promotes
an inclusive sort of "club." Third, it creates another
level of "us" vs. "them," which is something I thought
we all wanted to remove from the interaction between
aspie and NT. Aspies are often excluded from
everyday NT society, why do you want to isolate
people with AS further?
I do understand the issue of privacy, but if there are
things about your private life you do not want others
to read, then I suggest you do not post them here.
And what, really, is the problem with people reading
what you've written? You don't know them in real life,
do you? It has no effect on you, whatsoever. If you
are truly concerned, you can PM your very private
thoughts to members whom you trust, and that way,
you will not have to worry about anyone else reading
it. Many members here are very receptive to others'
worries and problems, and you would most likely get
a response from atleast one of them.
Now that's more like.
I was very pleased to read your post. I am glad
that the administrators of this site hold such a point
of view. Besides, apart of you being a site administrator,
I usually enjoy your posts and appreciate your level of
maturity. I think you are absolutely right, and you could
have been even more right if instead of using the word
"club" you used the word "cult"!
I may not be a dedicated poster on this site but I often
read a lot of the posts and only post if I feel like it. I
would really like this site to reach to a level where each
post is describing something so radically different from
the post above it and that belew it.Back to top
chamoisee wrote:
Tucan
Joined: Aug 28, 2004
Posts: 268
Location: Idaho
Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 6:30 am
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I don't know if i'd be comfortable making a
judgement about whether or not someone
was aspie without a in depth knowledge of
the person. Even then, I have no idea what's
in their head, how they think and feel and
perceive the world. It isn't for me to say.
I do know that I've had a number of people
(mostly thos ewho were in denial) state that I
am merely imagining myself to be aspie, and
I can't think of many things that are more
personally insulting or offensive. How m the
heck do *they* know if I'm aspie or not?
There has been a poster or two (and I don't recall
who it was, so don't ask) who didn't seem aspie to
me, and I was tempted to gently suggest that to
them. But then I realized that it was none of my
business and I don't want to make somee else feel
invalid, especially if they are in fact aspie.
At any rate, I refer NT's to this place all the time.
It's the best site I know of for general education
on Asperger's. And I don't think there are very
many people who are intentionally pretending to
be aspie. But if there are,
, maybe they have
a related disorder and will figure out in time that they
don't have it, just by being here. Maybe they're geeks
on the borderline of aspie and normal, not enough of
either one to fit in anywhere. I have no interest in
excluding them if they find the site worthwhile and if
they feel comfortable here.Back to top
Joined: Aug 28, 2004
Posts: 268
Location: Idaho
Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 6:30 am
Post subject:
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I don't know if i'd be comfortable making a
judgement about whether or not someone
was aspie without a in depth knowledge of
the person. Even then, I have no idea what's
in their head, how they think and feel and
perceive the world. It isn't for me to say.
I do know that I've had a number of people
(mostly thos ewho were in denial) state that I
am merely imagining myself to be aspie, and
I can't think of many things that are more
personally insulting or offensive. How m the
heck do *they* know if I'm aspie or not?
There has been a poster or two (and I don't recall
who it was, so don't ask) who didn't seem aspie to
me, and I was tempted to gently suggest that to
them. But then I realized that it was none of my
business and I don't want to make somee else feel
invalid, especially if they are in fact aspie.
At any rate, I refer NT's to this place all the time.
It's the best site I know of for general education
on Asperger's. And I don't think there are very
many people who are intentionally pretending to
be aspie. But if there are,
, maybe they have a related disorder and will figure out in time that they
don't have it, just by being here. Maybe they're geeks
on the borderline of aspie and normal, not enough of
either one to fit in anywhere. I have no interest in
excluding them if they find the site worthwhile and if
they feel comfortable here.Back to top
3)......The Question Repeated!
"Death of WrongPlanet that was, is that so?"[/quote]
4)......5/19/05' Postings!
ElfMan wrote:
Deinonychus
Joined: Dec 17, 2004
Posts: 328
Location: Adelaide, Australia
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 12:44 pm
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Breathe to your belly GhostBrother. I can totally
understand what you say. Too many closed doors,
caused devision. Doors need walls right.
I think that these views are only held by a few and
that this site will not morph into a segregation.
The ingore button is useful for those who unlike
you get very abusive or pervasive about forcing
opinions. This can be uppsetting to some, so I
can see how it would be helpful for the more
sensitive to this to enjoy the boards without
enduring the stress of the odd one that ventures
here to cause trouble. The Aspie Only thread will
not happen. It is not the core objective of this
board to do so.
And again mate: Breathe to your belly
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Joined: Dec 17, 2004
Posts: 328
Location: Adelaide, Australia
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 12:44 pm
Post subject:
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Breathe to your belly GhostBrother. I can totally
understand what you say. Too many closed doors,
caused devision. Doors need walls right.
I think that these views are only held by a few and
that this site will not morph into a segregation.
The ingore button is useful for those who unlike
you get very abusive or pervasive about forcing
opinions. This can be uppsetting to some, so I
can see how it would be helpful for the more
sensitive to this to enjoy the boards without
enduring the stress of the odd one that ventures
here to cause trouble. The Aspie Only thread will
not happen. It is not the core objective of this
board to do so.
And again mate: Breathe to your belly
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Postperson wrote:
Deinonychus
Joined: Jul 10, 2004
Posts: 333
Location: Australia
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 1:22 pm
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No-one want to exclude HFAs, you're
included in what is described as Aspies only.
I don't think of HFA as non-aspie. okkkaaayyyyyy?
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Joined: Jul 10, 2004
Posts: 333
Location: Australia
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 1:22 pm
Post subject:
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No-one want to exclude HFAs, you're
included in what is described as Aspies only.
I don't think of HFA as non-aspie. okkkaaayyyyyy?
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pyraxis wrote:
Snowy Owl
Joined: Mar 26, 2005
Posts: 153
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Death and the infinite change!
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Ghosthunter wrote:
This is a forebodding to the new guard who forgot
what change is and why WrongPlanet exists. It is
not a inclusive site and if you want to fear, fear fear
itself, and don't create it here. The fact I fear posting
this, yet 3 months ago I didn't is already the beginning
of Death and it's Infinite Consumption that the newby's
have brought, and after leaving fear, I WILL NOT
return to it!! !! !!
As long as there are people here who still post from
depth, WrongPlanet will retain its atmosphere. New
people will come, see your threads and those of
others like you, and know that this is a place where
they will be accepted.
Once fear has truly faded further into the past, it
becomes clearer that death does not lie around
every corner. One person calling for exclusion is
only one person.... One hostile post is only one post.
To see the fear, and to keep posting as we always
do, that is one of the best ways we can change
things.
Plus it has the advantage of providing more
opportunities for desensitization, one step closer
to being unaffected by the dark caves.
Joined: Mar 26, 2005
Posts: 153
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Death and the infinite change!
------------------------------------------------
Ghosthunter wrote:
This is a forebodding to the new guard who forgot
what change is and why WrongPlanet exists. It is
not a inclusive site and if you want to fear, fear fear
itself, and don't create it here. The fact I fear posting
this, yet 3 months ago I didn't is already the beginning
of Death and it's Infinite Consumption that the newby's
have brought, and after leaving fear, I WILL NOT
return to it!! !! !!
As long as there are people here who still post from
depth, WrongPlanet will retain its atmosphere. New
people will come, see your threads and those of
others like you, and know that this is a place where
they will be accepted.
Once fear has truly faded further into the past, it
becomes clearer that death does not lie around
every corner. One person calling for exclusion is
only one person.... One hostile post is only one post.
To see the fear, and to keep posting as we always
do, that is one of the best ways we can change
things.
Plus it has the advantage of providing more
opportunities for desensitization, one step closer
to being unaffected by the dark caves.
Ghosthunter wrote:
Phoenix
Joined: Mar 20, 2005
Posts: 775
Location: San Francisco
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:24 pm
Post subject: Well said!
---------------------------------
I will say well said! The problem is it
is not just one person, but a slightly
increasing number with the inclusive
idea and Ignore button abuse potential.
My first Example:
dragon2fire wrote:
Butterfly
Joined: May 18, 2005
Posts: 15
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:42 pm
Post subject: help me understand
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I am posting this here because it is in large
part in regards to a thered in this forum feel
free to move it mods if i am mistaken in doing this.
A memeber of this forum recently asked me not to
respone to there post.... so i am not asking that
person they are welcome to respone though. I am
trying to understand what excuatly i did that was so
offensive as to invoke the anger of this person.
i would appericate any ones input
Mind you, I don't know the circumstance, but
if he is innocent of anything? Then how many
more silenced victims?
Hmmm?
Ghosthunter
Joined: Mar 20, 2005
Posts: 775
Location: San Francisco
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:24 pm
Post subject: Well said!
---------------------------------
I will say well said! The problem is it
is not just one person, but a slightly
increasing number with the inclusive
idea and Ignore button abuse potential.
My first Example:
dragon2fire wrote:
Butterfly
Joined: May 18, 2005
Posts: 15
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:42 pm
Post subject: help me understand
---------------------------------------
I am posting this here because it is in large
part in regards to a thered in this forum feel
free to move it mods if i am mistaken in doing this.
A memeber of this forum recently asked me not to
respone to there post.... so i am not asking that
person they are welcome to respone though. I am
trying to understand what excuatly i did that was so
offensive as to invoke the anger of this person.
i would appericate any ones input
Mind you, I don't know the circumstance, but
if he is innocent of anything? Then how many
more silenced victims?
Hmmm?
Ghosthunter
dragon2fire wrote:
Hummingbird
Joined: May 18, 2005
Posts: 22
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:36 pm
Post subject:
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Gh thank you very much
Joined: May 18, 2005
Posts: 22
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:36 pm
Post subject:
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Gh thank you very much
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When I wrote it I was pist off!! !! !!
And now apparently it is not allowing
any changes! Oops 
Ghosthunter
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24 May 2005, 9:22 pm
Elfman, LOL
You're funny.
But I do think it might be a good thing to have a forum especially set out for newbies to get them integrated into the site and make it less intimidating for them. And of course, we would need to make effort to be posting in that forum as well, to make them feel more welcome. Or perhaps a permanent post that is in either General Discussion or Members Only Discussion, the two which seem more popular for posts, since I think sometimes the Getting To Know Each Other forum gets a little forgotten.
Just a thought...
24 May 2005, 9:26 pm
I think we should allow NT's in the site. 
24 May 2005, 10:04 pm
strange_wraith and Sophist (do you mind if I call you SoulFirst) hehe, you've raised some good points.
strange_wraith, when I first came here, it was with hope that I had found somewhere where people would 'hear' me. I am now a bit of an old hat around hear now and have settled in. Although it did not happen without me going through some teething issues of my own first.
I was wondering if a welcoming committee would help this issue. A group of people that are good at the 'hello's...and some back and forth posting as new ones settle in.
This might be going to far, but some may even benifit from having a mentor of sorts.
I don't think I have worded well what my mind is saying but I hope I have got the gist across.
And...ummm...yep...I'm pretty halarious 
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