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17 May 2016, 1:37 pm

Assuming angels and demons exist, what would they be? Interdimensional creatures? Biblically, demons are fallen angels, but what are they? In theology textbooks they're considered as being "incorporeal", though in Genesis at least angels manifested themselves in physical forms resembling humans a few times (even, practically, nuking Sodom and Gomorrah). There's this universe, but could both Heaven and Hell be other three-space dimensions? If these creatures can interfere in our universe, is there any possible way to interfere in theirs? If they were interdimensional creatures, what forces interact in all dimensions and what might be able to kill them if possible? I know this sounds like a stupid set of questions, but I'm sick of my family and everyone and everything I love being destroyed.


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17 May 2016, 1:40 pm

Demons are the evil part of every human being. They're inside us. We're all part demon and that's one of the things that make us human.



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17 May 2016, 1:41 pm

They probably wouldn't have a physical body; having a physical body would make them vulnerable to attack.



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17 May 2016, 2:04 pm

Angels and Demons are simply a primitive-form of vocabulary for deceased personalities that often unknowingly attach themselves to the still-living of the mortal-realm. Look up the book of Dr. Carl Wickland, Thirty Years Among the Dead, and read it in its entirety. You will get a better idea of what those "things" are.

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Assuming angels and demons exist, what would they be? Interdimensional creatures? Biblically, demons are fallen angels, but what are they? In theology textbooks they're considered as being "incorporeal", though in Genesis at least angels manifested themselves in physical forms resembling humans a few times (even, practically, nuking Sodom and Gomorrah). There's this universe, but could both Heaven and Hell be other three-space dimensions? If these creatures can interfere in our universe, is there any possible way to interfere in theirs? If they were interdimensional creatures, what forces interact in all dimensions and what might be able to kill them if possible? I know this sounds like a stupid set of questions, but I'm sick of my family and everyone and everything I love being destroyed.

You cannot kill them because yes, they are somewhat like an inter-dimensional phenomenon, and frequency technology has something to do with them linking into this particular realm-of-existence. For easier clarity, that you can visualise this better, some sources have leaked out that viewing Jupiter through an extremely high-powered telescope results in being able to see a planet that is not only full of vegetation, but has an entire thriving civilisation. Viewed from the regular light-spectrum, how-ever, they say that it looks like a dead planet, full of poisonous-clouds.

Heaven and Hell are not necessarily material-existences. This is only one universe out of literally thousands. The prophets of the past would have described this universe as being like one room out of many in a mansion. Speaking as one of today's modern-day prophets, and also having much more advanced vocabulary at my disposal than the prophets of the past, I can tell you that absolutely ALL phenomenon of the para-normal nature can actually be explained in technological-vocabulary. Phenomenon that appears to resemble Spirit-Possession can actually be replicated with Psychotronic-Resonance. You CAN interact in THEIR "dimension" to a certain extent, but as far as how you should interact, the best thing to do is to educate them about reality.

I assume that you follow some form of "Christian" denomination, and thus I am guessing that you participate in "prayer" activities, therefore, next time you pray, direct your thoughts to these beings that are causing disruption, let them know that you ARE in fact AWARE of their presence, and that you want to help them be able to find a better existence than their current one. For them to do so, let them know that they need to look up, where they should see a light, and if they cannot see any light, that they should think of any close friends or family members that they may have had. Sometimes, they will become afraid, and think that they are seeing ghosts when people like their grand-parents or other deceased relatives appear, and in such cases it is because they are not aware that they themselves are also deceased. Give them the reason why they see deceased relatives, because they, too, have also died long ago, and need to proceed up into The Light where they will find a much happier existence than lingering around this mortal-realm.

I would need more specifics so that I can otherwise explain things in more technological-vocabulary. For now, because I assume that you are amongst the Christian populations, due to what you have written, this "prophetic" advice should suffice for now (I do not currently possess any psychic-powers by the way but I still retain the memories of what it was like when technological-forces once simulated seemingly psychic-experiences during the younger years of my current earth-life).


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17 May 2016, 2:11 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
They probably wouldn't have a physical body; having a physical body would make them vulnerable to attack.


They'd have to have some form of discrete anatomy to even do anything, like the difference between a statue and a robot. If they are existent in another spatial dimension but can interact across dimensions, they'd be invulnerable to physical force within this three-space. I remember reading in Timeline that light interacts in multiple dimensions as evidenced by single photon interference, and gravity does also, but I don't think that a massive black hole would be able to be wielded so much (nor would you want to make one anywhere near Earth) and I'd have no clue how light could really be used as a weapon. Even if lasers could hurt them, how would you target them? Light is a particle-wave that oscillates between electromagnetic and electrostatic fields, so would powerful enough magnetic or static fields be potentially harmful to them too? I know that Christ gave authority over these creatures to cast them out and such, but it would be nice to end them if it were possible.


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17 May 2016, 2:16 pm

According to the Bible, angels came to Earth and had sex with human women. The women got pregnant and had half-angel babies. That doesn't sound like angels are ghosts/robots/nonphysical. They're something close enough to human to reproduce with us.



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17 May 2016, 2:18 pm

An Angel with a bad attitude.


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17 May 2016, 2:24 pm

1 Enoch is an interesting read on this subject. It claims the purpose of the great flood was to rid the world of people with angel DNA. Noah and his family were spared not because they were nice people, but because they were pure-blooded human.

I'm agnostic, btw. I just enjoy this topic.



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17 May 2016, 2:43 pm

Well...in early Genesis didnt "the sons of God look upon the daughters of men.." and like what they saw, and proceed to knock up large number of these daughters? That sounds about as earthy, and as corporal as you can get! :D



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17 May 2016, 3:06 pm

In the Bible it comes across as if the angels just lusted after the women and had one-night stands with them.
In first Enoch, however, it describes the angels and women living together as families. The angels taught people all kinds of things, like how to build weapons and armor and how to dye clothing and make jewelry. All of that really pizzed God off.



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17 May 2016, 3:38 pm

Well, just as Pseudo-Dionysius provided a classification of angels in a nine-tier hierarchy in the 5th century (as illustrated by this famous painting by Francesco Botticini)...

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... so has demons been classified into various categories, including the same hierarchy as angels by the inquisitor Sebastien Michaelis in 1613.

As such, one perception in Christian demonology would be that demons could be divided in the following angelical categories (in decreasing order of badassery):

Seraphim (including usual suspects like Beelzebub, Leviathan and Asmodeus)
Cherubim
Thrones
Powers
Dominions
Virtues (Wouldn't that be "Vices" wrt. demons, btw?)
Principalities
Archangels
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19 May 2016, 6:34 pm

As far as where heaven and hell are, I personally think they might be different dimensions, or at least that's as close as our comprehension of such things is able to grasp. I recall one scientist explain the possibility that different dimensions might coexist with our own, but that we are unable to perceive them. If true, maybe heaven and hell are both with us right now.


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19 May 2016, 7:22 pm

I believe to try and define them in our terms is impossible. They are both physical and spiritual, but do not have a real body.

I do believe there are different types of demons. With different jobs. I believe we all have a demon assigned to us at birth who's job it is to drag us to hell at all costs.

I believe only a saved individual can truly resist them.

I don't believe they can be destroyed. Hell was intended for them, so the Bible tells us. Not for humans. Why so many humans likely end up there is another question I have no answer to.



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19 May 2016, 7:46 pm

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I do believe there are different types of demons. With different jobs. I believe we all have a demon assigned to us at birth who's job it is to drag us to hell at all costs.


A reverse guardian angel. I don't think there's any scriptural basis for that belief, but it's a fascinating idea nonetheless.



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19 May 2016, 8:06 pm

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I do believe there are different types of demons. With different jobs. I believe we all have a demon assigned to us at birth who's job it is to drag us to hell at all costs.


A reverse guardian angel. I don't think there's any scriptural basis for that belief, but it's a fascinating idea nonetheless.


No not blatantly, but I believe there's some who have interpreted it that way. I've long since removed myself from this sort of thinking, but I remember hearing a sermon once about that concept. Demons trail us. We pick them up like viruses.

I believe when children have imaginary friends, they are usually demons with a friendly face on.

Plus, if I recall, there's basically zero scriptural basis for guardian angels either. Then, of course, "scriptural" depends on who you ask. I'm scarred from years of KJV Only preaching so...



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19 May 2016, 8:49 pm

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Plus, if I recall, there's basically zero scriptural basis for guardian angels either.


True. Also, angel pictures/figurines/etc. are nearly always depicted as female, even though all the angels mentioned in the Bible are male. I don't think there actually ARE any female angels, which was part of the reason they became enamored with female humans. Weird that they would have male "equipment" if there aren't any females, though. Perhaps they shape change.