Why does society make it so much work to be a woman?!

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29 May 2016, 4:23 am

I mean, as if having periods and giving birth isn't painful enough, but having to put ourselves through pain to look beautiful is just unfair.

It's fine if you like being chavvy or don't mind being plain, but to fit in as a woman you have to pluck eyebrows (which smarts), put make-up on to the point where you feel your face is untouchable, spend loads of time and money on buying clothes and accessories that must look right, have long nails, wear shoes that hurt, spend a lot of time on your hair, shave your legs and armpits... I could go on and on.

And what do men have to do? Not much at all. It's all optional for them. If a man chooses to shave his armpits, cool. If a man chooses not to shave his armpits, that's also cool. If a woman chooses not to shave her armpits, she will be called all kinds of names.

When a woman goes out somewhere special, she has to look all glamorous. If a man goes out somewhere special, a nice shirt and a tie will do. Or just a shirt. And put some deoderant spray on, and done. He looks lovely. A woman has to style all her hair, apply make-up, make sure what she's wearing looks acceptable.

Why do women have so much pressure? Then people wonder why I prefer the plain/chavvy look. Men are so lucky.


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29 May 2016, 4:55 am

The way I see it, women have all these pressures put on them to keep them insecure, like they are never good enough, and to distract them from the real problems in the world. There's a lot of money to be made out of women's insecurity. It also stops women from realising what truly powerful beings they are. So it is a tool for the oppression of women.

The same is happening more and more with men though these days. And men have a whole other lot of issues in society, so I wouldn't say they are lucky as such.

Happily many Aspies see through all that nonsense and don't buy into it.


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29 May 2016, 11:17 am

^Well said!
I don't care about society anyway, and I'm all the more happier because of that.


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29 May 2016, 11:23 am

Nobody is forcing women to go through all of that. It is women who think that it is necessary "beautiful" when a smile and a pleasant disposition is really all that's important.


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29 May 2016, 11:32 am

Fnord wrote:
Nobody is forcing women to go through all of that. It is women who think that it is necessary "beautiful" when a smile and a pleasant disposition is really all that's important.


Tell me about it.

The way I see it, women keep having to jump through hoops to be considered "beautiful" because they keep allowing it to happen.

Personally, I'm content being ugly, and I've often received more flak from other women about it than men.


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29 May 2016, 11:49 am

^You are beautiful in your own way. I know it sounds ridiculous, but it's true. :)


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29 May 2016, 12:01 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
Personally, I'm content being ugly, and I've often received more flak from other women about it than men.


This is the ironic part--most men really don't care--but it makes a huge difference in how other women treat you, according to numerous books and articles that I've read. Thus, women dress up to go shopping to get better service from other women. An obvious visual class distinction.



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29 May 2016, 12:06 pm

I don't find it much work to be a woman. I don't have to pluck my eye brows or buy clothes or wear make up or do my hair, etc. These are all choices women make. No one gives me a hard time about it. I however choose to wear clean clothes and shave. Nothing to do with society and I don't feel pressure from it.


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29 May 2016, 12:20 pm

There's this thing called internalized prejudice, where members of a historically oppressed group continue to discriminate against one another and judge themselves by unfair, old-school standards as a result of lingering cultural habits that take a long time to unlearn, thus allowing an unfair society to continue in spite of great progress toward equality under the law. When women are harsher judging themselves and other women than men are judging them when it comes to their looks, or people of color insist that other people of color look unprofessional or sound uneducated if they do not try to look or act like affluent white people, they're suffering from internalized prejudice.

Sadly, you can't cure other people's internalized prejudice by curing your own. But you can try to find the happiest medium you can.



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29 May 2016, 12:30 pm

Fnord wrote:
Nobody is forcing women to go through all of that. It is women who think that it is necessary "beautiful" when a smile and a pleasant disposition is really all that's important.


Nonsense. Society on the whole expects women to do these things and imposes social sanctions if they do not.


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29 May 2016, 1:38 pm

What I'm saying is, society makes you feel bad as a woman if you don't make much effort with your appearance.

I'm just happy dressing in a trendy but casual way, I'm not really into "over the top" fashion, except for the odd occasion like going out somewhere of an evening with my partner or something.

I like butterfly-patterned clothes and pink clothes, but I'm still more of a casual dresser. Instead of long thin cardigans with a thin silky or lacey top that droops below one shoulder and tight leggins and dolly shoes, my style is more like a long-ish t-shirt or vest top with jeans and trainers (boots if it's cold), and a hoodie or hooded jacket. Still stylish, as I always see girls wearing that style.


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29 May 2016, 1:47 pm

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What I'm saying is, society makes you feel bad as a woman if you don't make much effort with your appearance.

I'm just happy dressing in a trendy but casual way, I'm not really into "over the top" fashion, except for the odd occasion like going out somewhere of an evening with my partner or something.

I like butterfly-patterned clothes and pink clothes, but I'm still more of a casual dresser. Instead of long thin cardigans with a thin silky or lacey top that droops below one shoulder and tight leggins and dolly shoes, my style is more like a long-ish t-shirt or vest top with jeans and trainers (boots if it's cold), and a hoodie or hooded jacket. Still stylish, as I always see girls wearing that style.


If iẗ́'s any help, it gets easier when you get older. The nice thing is that your age group start developing other worries.


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29 May 2016, 1:54 pm

Someone on the so-called "Love" forum said aspie girls are ugly and masculine. :(

Okay fine, I'll tie pink frilly ribbons in my hair and wear only dresses and skirts. And then I'll wear makeup and bake cookies to give to the guys so they will act as if they like me. I'll be a freaking June Cleaver, that's what the men want! :evil:

As if.



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29 May 2016, 1:56 pm

^...and that's why I mostly stay in the game section.


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29 May 2016, 2:18 pm

Society pushes women to do those things, but it doesn't mean you 'have to' there is certainly social pressure though, I've mostly experienced it from other females, I don't really do any of those thing except shaving my arm-pits sometimes. As for going out it's usually either to run errands, go to a concert, or go to a bar or going camping I just stick to my default metal band t-shirts and jeans/cut offs or whatever...though I have been invited to places I felt out of place in my metal band t-shirts and jeans with holes in the knees due to everyone dressing 'nice' like women wearing dresses and guys wearing uncomfortable looking dress clothes.

Also guys much of the time are expected to keep their hair short, shave any facial hair(which can end up being a daily thing from what I hear), and have a much harder time getting assistance though a lot of government and charity programs/resources a woman in the same position might have access to with no problem, because males are supposed to be more self reliant or something. So I think there are some unfair social expectations and such going on for both males and females.


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29 May 2016, 3:17 pm

AJisHere wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Nobody is forcing women to go through all of that. It is women who think that it is necessary "beautiful" when a smile and a pleasant disposition is really all that's important.
Nonsense. Society on the whole expects women to do these things and imposes social sanctions if they do not.
Do you actually believe that a smile and a pleasant disposition aren't important? Do you really believe that anyone is forcing women to use artificial means to be "beautiful"?

Women choose their behavior - at least in those places not controlled by Sharia law. Just check out how many teen girls beg their parents to let them use makeup, to dress more provocatively, and to even smoke. No one is forcing them to do these things, they want to do them.

Personally, I've been more attracted to the natural look, even if it means a few visible blemishes.


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