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23 Jun 2016, 5:53 pm

I think people are nicer to those that they perceive as attractive. What are things I can do to be perceived as more attractive?



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23 Jun 2016, 5:54 pm

The most important thing, in my opinion, is a clean look. Clean clothes. Clean body. Clean hair.



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23 Jun 2016, 6:25 pm

Smile, but I know Aspies sometimes have a hard time with that.
Ha! That's kinda funny coming from a picture of Grumpy Cat! :mrgreen:


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23 Jun 2016, 6:32 pm

Ok, but no tips for makeup and stuff? I don't like makeup and heels but I've been called physically unattractive a lot. I'd like to improve so I can recieve better treatment and less bullying.

My clothes are clean and I have good hygiene. Hair is neat and clean. My glasses are thick but I've started wearing contact lenses to work and special occasions again. I've had my teeth fixed and I exercise regularly to stay in shape. People are so weird to me. So many social rules.



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23 Jun 2016, 6:35 pm

Why are women judged for attractiveness anyway? Due to sensory issues I'd like to wear no make or contact lenses. I'd rather just wear my glasses, bare face, etc. I feel like I'm forced to do all of this stuff just to look acceptable and avoid harsh treatment, specifically at work.



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23 Jun 2016, 6:48 pm

I'm a man, by the way (in case you haven't noticed :wink: )

A person shouldn't be judged for attractiveness. But people tend to gravitate towards it.

But you don't have to dress up and put on all this makeup to look attractive. I've known many pretty women who don't wear makeup at all.

The way to look "attractive" is to look clean and content.



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23 Jun 2016, 6:49 pm

I can't tell you really without seeing a picture. That would tell how you wear your hair, color of hair, what clothes you wear, if you even need makeup - things like that.


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23 Jun 2016, 6:51 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm a man, by the way (in case you haven't noticed :wink: )

A person shouldn't be judged for attractiveness. But people tend to gravitate towards it.

But you don't have to dress up and put on all this makeup to look attractive. I've known many pretty women who don't wear makeup at all.

The way to look "attractive" is to look clean and content.


I get what you are saying, Mr. K., but sometimes people want exact ways that they might be able to improve on their already good looks so they can feel better about themselves. People are usually going to say you look ok and don't need to do anything - it would be rude for someone to say that a person is ugly, at least in NT Land.


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23 Jun 2016, 6:52 pm

It does suck to feel this kind of pressure from society. But mostly all people really appreciate is just that someone looks like they've groomed themselves, as that sends telegraphing of self respect, and if someone picks that up even unconsciously about you, they are more likely to treat you with respect too. It's kind of a psychological thing humans do -- it's not always fair but people often operate that way.

For make-up -- trends come and go, but you can't go wrong with a soft "less is more" look. A soft brown eye pencil dabbed along the lashline at the outer thirds of upper and lower lid, gives a subtle definition without a "made up" look. Finish with a light touch of a brown-black mascara. Choose a sheer lip gloss or a lightweight natural color lipstick closely matching your lips' natural color. A little subtle eye definition and just a glow of color or sheen on your lips doesn't sound like much but these can enhance your face in a pretty way.

If you have pierced ears, remembering to wear earrings, even if it's just little studs, can also give a "lift" to your face because something about the glint of something pretty next to your face enhances how you look. A decorative scarf in a pretty color worn casually around the neck can have the same effect -- anything visually pleasing near the face can enhance it.

It often helps people form a general impression of thinking you look good if you have clothing on that color coordinates even just vaguely, even if it's your oldest and most sloppy clothes. If it looks like you've taken time to add a matching accessory to your old brown sweater, for example, you look better and "pulled together" because it's gone from slouching-around clothes to "an outfit." It's kind of a neat trick you can pull even with your not-smart clothes.



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23 Jun 2016, 6:53 pm

nurseangela wrote:
I can't tell you really without seeing a picture. That would tell how you wear your hair, color of hair, what clothes you wear, if you even need makeup - things like that.


I've been told that I'm so unattractive I need makeup. I was known as the "ugly" girl growing up. Guys would punch me and slap me because they thought I was "ugly". I've posted my picture online with bad results.



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23 Jun 2016, 6:55 pm

Dreamsea wrote:
Why are women judged for attractiveness anyway? Due to sensory issues I'd like to wear no make or contact lenses. I'd rather just wear my glasses, bare face, etc. I feel like I'm forced to do all of this stuff just to look acceptable and avoid harsh treatment, specifically at work.


A lot of men say they like a woman without makeup, but I usually see them with the bombshell types that wear fake nails, black eyeliner and bleach their hair so I think some of them are talking out of their ass.

Where do you work? And is it with women or men? And has someone said something to make you think this?


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23 Jun 2016, 6:57 pm

Dreamsea wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
I can't tell you really without seeing a picture. That would tell how you wear your hair, color of hair, what clothes you wear, if you even need makeup - things like that.


I've been told that I'm so unattractive I need makeup. I was known as the "ugly" girl growing up. Guys would punch me and slap me because they thought I was "ugly". I've posted my picture online with bad results.


Wth?! Guys like that are as*holes and I wouldn't put any merit into anything they said. You can post your picture - I don't think anyone here is going to say anything bad (I would hope not anyway), but if you want the truth it may not be all roses.


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23 Jun 2016, 6:59 pm

Thank you. I groom my eyebrows and shave. People are grossed really out with body hair on women it seems. I started wearing earrings again.

As for makeup I wear tinted moisturizer and mascara on work days. Do I need the eyeliner and lip color? I also wear contact lenses on work days. Lip color never stays on me for long anyway. Lately, I've been trying to watch my clothing colors and fit. Thank you for the advice.

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It does suck to feel this kind of pressure from society. But mostly all people really appreciate is just that someone looks like they've groomed themselves, as that sends telegraphing of self respect, and if someone picks that up even unconsciously about you, they are more likely to treat you with respect too. It's kind of a psychological thing humans do -- it's not always fair but people often operate that way.

For make-up -- trends come and go, but you can't go wrong with a soft "less is more" look. A soft brown eye pencil dabbed along the lashline at the outer thirds of upper and lower lid, gives a subtle definition without a "made up" look. Finish with a light touch of a brown-black mascara. Choose a sheer lip gloss or a lightweight natural color lipstick closely matching your lips' natural color. A little subtle eye definition and just a glow of color or sheen on your lips doesn't sound like much but these can enhance your face in a pretty way.

If you have pierced ears, remembering to wear earrings, even if it's just little studs, can also give a "lift" to your face because something about the glint of something pretty next to your face enhances how you look. A decorative scarf in a pretty color worn casually around the neck can have the same effect -- anything visually pleasing near the face can enhance it.

It often helps people form a general impression of thinking you look good if you have clothing on that color coordinates even just vaguely, even if it's your oldest and most sloppy clothes. If it looks like you've taken time to add a matching accessory to your old brown sweater, for example, you look better and "pulled together" because it's gone from slouching-around clothes to "an outfit." It's kind of a neat trick you can pull even with your not-smart clothes.



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23 Jun 2016, 7:03 pm

People can be cruel. Don't take as "gospel" the word of someone who is happy to bully or punch you. Someone who is that much of a dick is not exactly a person whose opinion on the matter is valid! Those people are hateful bullies therefore their vote doesn't count, so there.

Nobody should really believe they "need" makeup -- makeup for a woman should be a personal decision and used for their own pleasure if they want to use it, not always to please other people's demands that they use it. And if someone has no interest at all in being a person who wears makeup, that's okay too. Nobody has any right to think every woman "should" wear it. It's an extremely personal preference, like wanting or not wanting to have pierced ears, wanting or not wanting to wear heels. Wanting or not wanting to be a smoker or a vegetarian or nightclub goer -- it's your choice and who you are if you wear it or not.



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23 Jun 2016, 7:09 pm

I usually never leave the house without doing my hair and makeup and clothes. But I have to say, I have had a couple times when I didn't give a gosh darn and really had some stuff going on that needed immediate attention so I literally hopped out of bed with no makeup, no hair done and the first thing I could find as clothes to throw on and you know what? The guys were just swarming around me! I gotta say if they like the "natural look" then that was REALLY the natural look. :mrgreen: Maybe it was my natural pheromones at work!


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23 Jun 2016, 7:11 pm

The tinted moisturizer and mascara sounds fine; there's no need to wear anything else if you prefer not to. I know what you mean about anything on the lips not lasting long -- I personally like to wear lipstick but it is a pain how easily it just magically disappears before very long.

Back in the 90's there was a trend for really matte, dry lips in berry tones -- I used to apply a wine or berry lipstick then blot it with tissue and press a microscopic amount of face powder on the lips to set the color. It would leave a "stain" effect of color rather than a big mess of greasy lipstick. That lasted all day! It might work on lighter colored lipsticks, I'm not sure. Anytime you blot a lipstick it helps the color set into the lip and last longer.

But like I say, if you don't want to do lips or an eye pencil that's cool too.