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31 Jul 2016, 8:46 pm

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01 Aug 2016, 1:16 am

This will likely be me.


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01 Aug 2016, 1:52 am

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George Washington was the last third party candidate elected. If you want to waste your vote, vote third party.


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01 Aug 2016, 1:57 am

I honestly don't see third party voting working this time. It's now August, there is no way anyone can get enough support in a few months!



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01 Aug 2016, 4:38 am

0regonGuy wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:


George Washington was the last third party candidate elected. If you want to waste your vote, vote third party.


Washington's Farewell Address (1796)

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I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.


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01 Aug 2016, 8:46 am

a viable third party just doesn't pop into exsistance, it must be built up over time. so it has to start sometime/somewhere. the vote is not 'thrown away', it is invested in the future taking the new party's position seriously.



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01 Aug 2016, 12:34 pm

I don't imagine my state will even be close, so I might go Gary Johnson for president and GOP down ticket, but I'll have to wait and see what the polls look like closer to November. I'd really like to see Johnson on the debate stage with Trump and Clinton, that actually might shake the election up a bit (more).


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01 Aug 2016, 4:26 pm

I'm voting for Hillary, but like many, I am not surprised a lot of Sanders supporters have become Trump supporters or third-party supporters.


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01 Aug 2016, 9:05 pm

Agreed!


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02 Aug 2016, 6:43 pm

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02 Aug 2016, 11:48 pm

I will be among those third party voters, as I will be voting for Jim Hedges. http://www.hedgesandbayes2016.org/



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03 Aug 2016, 2:45 am

That's Great.



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04 Aug 2016, 9:53 am

Did anyone else watch the Libertarian Town Hall on CNN last night?

Those guys...LOL!

Just like with their last one, they started out reasonable...fiscal conservatism, liberal social policies...okay...maybe that would work out...But then they describe what they mean and I had a couple of problems with it.

1) They kept contradicting themselves. Such as to talk about how they wanted "small" government in some responses, but then said in other responses that it was the government's responsibility to use "the power of the government" to drive an issue to resolution. It's hard to figure out what they are for. You can go look up what they're for on paper, but they what they say sometimes doesn't seem to back that up.

2) Some of their policies are NUTS! They will start out sounding halfway reasonable, but then they fall apart when the details are questioned. I personally don't have a problem with medical marijuana, but I see no use for recreational marijuana. That's my personal feeling though and I don't make the law. So there was a lady in the audience who brought up some issues with marijuana strength and consistency and how people will sometimes get something very strong, thinking that they are getting a mild, medical use form. And some have THC and some don't and so on and so forth. So the lady was saying that there needed to be more education and regulation for this stuff. I thought that was perfectly reasonable. They had no idea what she was saying and couldn't even respond to her. They want to change the classification of marijuana but weren't clear on what they wanted to do with it. They said some incorrect things and basically acted as though marijuana was like eating a candy bar. Which is crazy, because if it was, why would it be medicinal? And why in the world would any plant be consistent? Systems have to be in place to regulate that kind of thing. Their prostitution argument was also non-existent. I was just confused and frustrated with their non-answers.

Is there going to be a Jill Stein Town Hall? Doesn't she have more support? Seems like she's getting stiffed.



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07 Aug 2016, 8:54 pm

I myself intend to vote for the Green party candidate , Jill Stein , in accordance with the conviction of my conscience .



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08 Aug 2016, 11:27 am

^^^ Great! If only more people would do that instead of following the masses! It's only because so few of you Americans believe a third party could make a difference in future that so few vote for them and prefer voting for the "lesser of two evils"!


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10 Aug 2016, 9:27 pm

recently, I had read of a poll in which over 40% of voters under the age of 30, were supporting 3rd party candidates (mainly Johnson and Stein).