Did Trump Encourage the Assassination of Hillary Clinton?

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11 Aug 2016, 9:34 am

There is a thread in N&CE, but this is a more specific question.
I can't find a youtube link that works (probably because I'm in Canada,) but we've all heard what he said.

Trump’s Wink Wink to ‘Second Amendment People’, Thomas L. Friedman AUG. 9, 2016

When I first saw Trump say this on CNN news, I was confused by it. Trump is not stupid. I think he meant that someone could kill her. He's already called her the devil.

What do you think?
And please, if you want to talk about how Hillary is a lying bully, start your own thread. Personally I don't like either of them. But inciting murder is pretty serious.



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11 Aug 2016, 9:46 am

It's possible he made something of an implied threat--an indication of this was his use of vague, noncontextual language.

My feeling, however, is that Trump alluding to the fact that gun-rights activists (thus his allusion to the 2nd Amendment, the "right to bear arms") will seek to obstruct candidates to the US Supreme Court who are proposed by a Democratic President.

Not that I really care for Trump--but I really doubt that Trump is so stupid as to propose such a thing.

He's a buffoon, not a murderer.



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11 Aug 2016, 10:09 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's possible he made something of an implied threat--an indication of this was his use of vague, noncontextual language.

My feeling, however, is that Trump alluding to the fact that gun-rights activists (thus his allusion to the 2nd Amendment, the "right to bear arms") will seek to obstruct candidates to the US Supreme Court who are proposed by a Democratic President.

Not that I really care for Trump--but I really doubt that Trump is so stupid as to propose such a thing.

He's a buffoon, not a murderer.

I don't think he'd kill her himself, but I'm sure he is capable of rationalizing her death as a good thing. Vague language is dangerous, I think. It leads to misunderstandings and false expectations.

Clearly there is the possibility of his alluding to political action, but there is an opening, a crack that leaves room for exploration of other intentions.



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11 Aug 2016, 10:20 am

That's exactly why vague language is dangerous. You never know what the person really means.

Trump seemed like he was being sort of a punk in this instance.

Similar to how he makes provocative Twitter posts, then deletes them.



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11 Aug 2016, 10:26 am

Trump is just smart enough to realize he could get away with the statement. It might have been designed to be a wink to the radical -- and violent -- sect of his followers.


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11 Aug 2016, 10:34 am

This world is scary.



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11 Aug 2016, 10:39 am

I wish he'd drop out already. He's sapping my spirit.

He reminds me of people I used to know in New York. Bombastic, but sneaky with the language.

He thinks he's a tough guy---but he's acting a bully who doesn't want to directly confront someone.



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11 Aug 2016, 11:10 am

This is being discussed in multiple threads.

No, Trump didn't encourage anything. This is like you looking at painting and interpreting it that way, your mind is filling in the blanks with what you want to be there. Media propaganda is making people go insane, the media propaganda war is inciting violence against Trump and his supporters.



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11 Aug 2016, 12:06 pm

What media is encouraging violence? You're not only misinterpreting now, you're coming up with whatever. And, at any rate, media can't possibly all be from one source.

And, if opponents can interpret it in this way then so can his supporters, so clearly he's the source of all violence.



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11 Aug 2016, 12:26 pm

Given the dangerous rhetoric Trump has flung around, Jacoby, I think it's very likely he knew exactly how the comment would be interpreted. That's not very presidential behavior!

I don't have a dog in this fight. I won't be voting for Hillary or Trump in November.


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11 Aug 2016, 12:28 pm

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What media is encouraging violence? You're not only misinterpreting now, you're coming up with whatever. And, at any rate, media can't possibly all be from one source.

And, if people can interpret it in this way then so can his supporters, so clearly he's the source of all violence.


Media hysterics and lies promote violence against their perceived enemies by brainwashed individuals, this is not imagined but has actually played out in real life unlike the imagined flip side, it is the media(and the corrupted interests that own it) that promotes misinformation and is trying to create an environment of fear of imminent doom. Nothinig Trump has said has caused any violence on his supporters behalf; it is the media LIES that have promoted unrest on our streets, it is media LIES that pushed us into a destabilizing war in Iraq, it is media LIES that have so denigrated Mr. Trump and his supporters while doing everything in their power to help the criminal empire of the Clinton's and the corrupt entrenched establishment at every turn of the way. There will NEVER be change in America, things will NEVER get better if we are to be enslaved by the cosmopolitan elitists which rule the western world. They want to reign over us like cattle, never will their interests be touched and never will our interests be pursued at their expense. The media are the whores of international corporate fascism, follow the money and you will see the reason for their ulterior motives. Private corporate media conglomerates that span continents are much more threatening than that of the state media whose intentions are more or less clear, it is sad truth that our democracy has been usurped by interests much more powerful than the individual citizen. Upward mobility had to be ended,the middle class must be crushed, it was a threat to the power of the elites who desire a permanent division of the classes between the rulers and the ruled.



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11 Aug 2016, 1:26 pm

Yes, he did. There is still some sort of wiggle room for plausible deniability, and he may not have necessarily consciously intended it, but it's there.

And really, it's the logical endpoint if you're a Christian and you believe Hillary is actually the devil - frankly, it would be a moral thing to do, wouldn't it?

I am very concerned that despite all his efforts to throw his campaign, he'll still get to the White House. Clinton is just common-garden dangerous, as most heads of a superpower tend to be. Trump is something else. Someone that thin-skinned, with the lack of composure he has, with no interest in anything other than knee-jerk 'I'll show you!' responses wielding the power he will - it's terrifying.


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11 Aug 2016, 1:30 pm

At the very least, Trump has to learn to speak with un-fractured syntax.

Imagine if he spoke like this at the negotiating table! Putin would laugh at him behind his back.



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11 Aug 2016, 1:37 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
At the very least, Trump has to learn to speak with un-fractured syntax.

Imagine if he spoke like this at the negotiating table! Putin would laugh at him behind his back.


Pity the translators!

Particularly given Trump already speaks as though he's run his speech through Google Translate from English to Italian, from Italian to Russian, from Russian to Icelandic, from Iceland to Gaelic and then back to English.


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11 Aug 2016, 2:16 pm

Hopper wrote:
Pity the translators!

LOL :D

Jacoby, can you save the media and Clinton discussions for another thread.



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11 Aug 2016, 2:21 pm

androbot01 wrote:
Hopper wrote:
Pity the translators!

LOL :D

Jacoby, can you save the media and Clinton discussions for another thread.


You don't get to disqualify viewpoints from your threads, no.

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What are liberals going to say for themselves if Donald Trump gets assassinated?

That’s a question worth pondering as a new effort is under way to delegitimize The Donald in the wake of his remarks on the Second Amendment.

Leftists are accusing Trump of trying to incite an attack on Hillary Clinton from “Second Amendment people.” They have been using such intemperate language that it wouldn’t be surprising if someone took a shot at The Donald. (Feds suspect a British national tried to do so at a rally in June after attempting to grab a police officer’s gun to carry out the assassination.)


http://nypost.com/2016/08/10/liberal-at ... im-killed/