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26 Sep 2016, 10:32 am

People first, God second. Should people put themselves above God?

Jesus put people above God and so should we. “Mark 2;27 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: 28Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

I think that the world would be a better place if people put their wants and needs as well as the wants and needs of other people above God’s.

I look at all the wealth that religions squander on themselves with huge churches and mosques, which are mostly empty, --- while many people still live in poverty and despair, --- and wonder if that wealth would be better spent on the poor. That would conform more to what Jesus taught us to do for the poor.

Governments seem to be of the same mindset as the religions as they spend lavishly on themselves while the poor go with their needs ignored.

I would think that religions would show the better mindset but that does not seem to be the case.

Before religions started thinking of God as a literal and real being, a more peaceful world, religiously speaking, home churches were the order of the day. Archeology has proven this. They were used as feeding stations for the poor and destitute and contributed more to the fellowship that people need more that the mega churches, temples and mosques that we have today.

Should we consider the benefits of the older ways and bring religion back into the homes where it’s expression and help for the poor can be better served?

Seems to me that the religious crave a personal relationship with their God, and that is best expressed from homes and not from the self-aggrandizing mega monstrosities and opulent churches and mosques that advertise their wasted wealth in our cities.

Does charity really begin at home, by putting people first and not God?

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26 Sep 2016, 4:10 pm

charity begins at home/ with the individual.
but charity is a local solution for a systemic problem that only government can mandate- or a widespread behavioural change could achieve.
now, churches are in tehory an institution to widely distribute instructions for behaviour. but what needs to be done is changing, often, and churches are founded on unchangeing dogma, therefore are uanble to actually create systemic change. let alone that churches are unable to enforce that change onto members, let alone non-members.

so, yeah, give to the poor, cook soup for them. or demand from your government to spend more money out of the budget YOU give to it on fighting the causes for poverty.


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26 Sep 2016, 4:25 pm

You might think about starting
a Bible study group in your home and pick a local project to help.

Love and prayers.
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26 Sep 2016, 5:02 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
...Jesus put people above God and so should we. “Mark 2;27 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: 28Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath....”

Interesting idea. I believe that Jesus considered humans the manifestation of God's spirit. In a way, he was describing us as God's creations short of perfection. This desire to view the creation as better than the creator is also found among almost all parents. Certainly, what Jesus said and did reflects His interpretation of God's word and intention. Should we be any less reflective in our individual and collective ways? Of course, not.


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27 Sep 2016, 2:19 am

You love God by loving your fellow humans.


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27 Sep 2016, 2:30 am

Igore god alltogether; spend the energy and focus you use by placing god second on even more humans instead.



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27 Sep 2016, 9:15 am

GnosticBishop wrote:
I think that the world would be a better place if people put their wants and needs as well as the wants and needs of other people above God’s.

People's wants and needs IS God's want!








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27 Sep 2016, 5:08 pm

shlaifu wrote:
charity begins at home/ with the individual.
but charity is a local solution for a systemic problem that only government can mandate- or a widespread behavioural change could achieve.
now, churches are in tehory an institution to widely distribute instructions for behaviour. but what needs to be done is changing, often, and churches are founded on unchangeing dogma, therefore are uanble to actually create systemic change. let alone that churches are unable to enforce that change onto members, let alone non-members.

so, yeah, give to the poor, cook soup for them. or demand from your government to spend more money out of the budget YOU give to it on fighting the causes for poverty.


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27 Sep 2016, 5:11 pm

drlaugh wrote:
You might think about starting
a Bible study group in your home and pick a local project to help.

Love and prayers.
Shalom.
Me aka Zvi. 8)


Any bible study I start would turn any theist into a Gnostic Christian as then he would recognize what a moral theology looks like as compared to the immoral homophobic and misogynous Christianity and Islam.

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27 Sep 2016, 5:13 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
...Jesus put people above God and so should we. “Mark 2;27 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: 28Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath....”

Interesting idea. I believe that Jesus considered humans the manifestation of God's spirit. In a way, he was describing us as God's creations short of perfection. This desire to view the creation as better than the creator is also found among almost all parents. Certainly, what Jesus said and did reflects His interpretation of God's word and intention. Should we be any less reflective in our individual and collective ways? Of course, not.


Well put.

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27 Sep 2016, 5:14 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
You love God by loving your fellow humans.


Exactly. They are the same.

Don't let the Christians know that truth.

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27 Sep 2016, 5:15 pm

izzeme wrote:
Igore god alltogether; spend the energy and focus you use by placing god second on even more humans instead.


Good thought.

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27 Sep 2016, 5:17 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
I think that the world would be a better place if people put their wants and needs as well as the wants and needs of other people above God’s.

People's wants and needs IS God's want!


Yes but not any supernatural God. Those are all make believe and created by men.

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27 Sep 2016, 5:47 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
You love God by loving your fellow humans.


Exactly. They are the same.

Don't let the Christians know that truth.

Regards
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Real Christians already know that.


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28 Sep 2016, 1:50 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
You love God by loving your fellow humans.

Mhm! Each human being is a part of God's creation.



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28 Sep 2016, 1:52 am

Barchan wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
You love God by loving your fellow humans.

Mhm! Each human being is a part of God's creation.


In all fairness, the OP was about God or people coming first.


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