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08 Nov 2016, 4:30 pm

Tell me how is it better or too much different from gay pride? If I was gay, I don't think it'd be anything to be necessarily "PROUD" of. I'm bisexual btw and that's just me but I have no pride nor shame about it. Being gay or Autistic really does have negatives how can anyone like to be this way?



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08 Nov 2016, 4:37 pm

Personally, I don not believe in nor do I understand things like gay pride or I have this or that condition pride. I just don't understand it. I know that other people feel that way and I guess that is fine for them. I don't have a problem with them feeling that if that is something that is helpful to them. I just don't understand it.

I am not proud of being Autistic anymore than I am proud of having cafe au lait skin and brown eyes. It just does not make any sense to me why it's something I should be proud of. If other people want to be proud, let them be. But for me, I see no reason in it.


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08 Nov 2016, 4:41 pm

Maybe pride is the wrong word.

I think autism pride, like gay pride, just means not being ashamed of being autistic or gay — or rather, not thinking of autism or homosexuality as something defective and shameful.

So you need a word that means the opposite of shame. Unfortunately, English then just bounces you to the other extreme, and you get pride. There doesn't seem to be a word for the neutral position — not shame, not pride, just is.

But I think that's what's meant by autism pride.

Either that, or it's an over-correction like a pendulum swing for so many years of autism shame.



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08 Nov 2016, 4:42 pm

Well if it's a I'm not ashamed thing, then yeah, I am all for that. That makes sense to me. We should not be ashamed of who we are. Now I don't need to wear tshirts and block up the city streets to have a parade to show others that I am not ashamed to be who I am but to each his own and if you want to have a parade than I won't stop you.


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08 Nov 2016, 4:50 pm

Slogans are built by public-relations experts. So, maybe "Autism Pride" should have been coined as "Autism Strong" or "Living Autism Everyday." Same with the "LGBT Pride" slogan. It should have always been "LGBT Diverse."


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08 Nov 2016, 5:11 pm

I love "Living Autism Everyday." For me, I feel that that sums it up perfectly. I really do love that. It says a lot but it's very respectful and even subtle.


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08 Nov 2016, 5:14 pm

skibum wrote:
I love "Living Autism Everyday." For me, I feel that that sums it up perfectly. I really do love that. It says a lot but it's very respectful and even subtle.

I wasn't sure, but I believe it was originally "Martha Stewart Everyday." Hehe. Maybe I should have gone into branding.


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08 Nov 2016, 5:19 pm

I know "Everyday with Rachael Ray!" :D

But I think you got it right with "Living Autism Everyday!"


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08 Nov 2016, 5:22 pm

skibum wrote:
I know "Everyday with Rachael Ray!" :D

But I think you got it right with "Living Autism Everyday!"

Hahaha! I forgot about that one. Thanks!

I guess I meant that there are far better slogans if people just tried.


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08 Nov 2016, 6:10 pm

Amaltheia wrote:
Maybe pride is the wrong word.

I think autism pride, like gay pride, just means not being ashamed of being autistic or gay — or rather, not thinking of autism or homosexuality as something defective and shameful.

So you need a word that means the opposite of shame. Unfortunately, English then just bounces you to the other extreme, and you get pride. There doesn't seem to be a word for the neutral position — not shame, not pride, just is.

But I think that's what's meant by autism pride.

Either that, or it's an over-correction like a pendulum swing for so many years of autism shame.


This.


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08 Nov 2016, 7:00 pm

I think autistic people could learn a thing or two from the communities of schizophrenia, bipolar, addiction etc.
and there is an unintended consequence of not classifying autism as a disease like schizophrenia, bipolar, addiction etc. which the pride groups do.
If we do not do that, neither will "they". Hence there are "studies" showing a supposed link between autism, narcissism, or sociopathy because "they" now agree with the pride groups that autism isn't a disease. The pride group thinks it is a gift, which i disagree with, and the hate groups think all autistic people are monsters, which is untrue. I think it is a medical condition, which places me outside what I think is a false dichotomy.


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08 Nov 2016, 7:48 pm

SilverProteus wrote:
Amaltheia wrote:
Maybe pride is the wrong word.

I think autism pride, like gay pride, just means not being ashamed of being autistic or gay — or rather, not thinking of autism or homosexuality as something defective and shameful.

So you need a word that means the opposite of shame. Unfortunately, English then just bounces you to the other extreme, and you get pride. There doesn't seem to be a word for the neutral position — not shame, not pride, just is.

But I think that's what's meant by autism pride.

Either that, or it's an over-correction like a pendulum swing for so many years of autism shame.


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Exactly. It's not about being proud per se, it's about not being ashamed of who you are, accepting yourself for who you are. As Amaltheia said, there just isn't a better word for it, but being content with how your are and self acceptance would be good definitions of what it entails.

Being an aspie is also a significant part of our identity for some of us, and says something about who we identify with, not unlike how nationality feels for a lot of other people. I see it as happiness for what you have, not feeling better than other neurologies/nations, but being happy about your own and content with having been born into it.


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08 Nov 2016, 8:00 pm

I like the words "autism acceptance" best.


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08 Nov 2016, 8:31 pm

Skilpadde wrote:
SilverProteus wrote:
Amaltheia wrote:
Maybe pride is the wrong word.

I think autism pride, like gay pride, just means not being ashamed of being autistic or gay — or rather, not thinking of autism or homosexuality as something defective and shameful.

So you need a word that means the opposite of shame. Unfortunately, English then just bounces you to the other extreme, and you get pride. There doesn't seem to be a word for the neutral position — not shame, not pride, just is.

But I think that's what's meant by autism pride.

Either that, or it's an over-correction like a pendulum swing for so many years of autism shame.


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Exactly. It's not about being proud per se, it's about not being ashamed of who you are, accepting yourself for who you are.


I thought it was also about autism conveying positive, desirable traits that people actually are proud of per se.



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08 Nov 2016, 10:02 pm

I think it's supposed to be a solidarity thing for whatever group you belong to or identify with. Basically another trendy thing that gets overused.



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08 Nov 2016, 11:17 pm

screen_name wrote:
I like the words "autism acceptance" best.


I feel the same way. I think acceptance is the best word.


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