The liberal hypocrisy is making me sick and anxious

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sly279
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23 Nov 2016, 10:52 pm

They've doing everything they hated on trump claiming he'd do if he won. Sadly this will mean the republicans getting even more senate and house seats in 2018. Costing us dearly . Thanks a lot liberal sore losers and cry babies :cry:

You're all going give complete and utter control of the whole us government to the republicans. They'll be able to do whatever they want and the democrats won't even be able to say anything once republicans have the super majority. But no liberals are so obsessed with losing they don't even think about the future. All this is going push even more people to vote republican.



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23 Nov 2016, 10:53 pm

And Republicans weren't the same in 2008 and 2012? Both sides act like idiots (one more so than the other) and are alike in more ways than they think.



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23 Nov 2016, 10:56 pm

andrethemoogle wrote:
And Republicans weren't the same in 2008 and 2012? Both sides act like idiots (one more so than the other) and are alike in more ways than they think.

Don't remember McCain or Romenlynclaiming election rigged, demanding electors vote for them instead of obama, demanding the electoral college be destroyed, rioting in the streets etc



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23 Nov 2016, 11:45 pm

sly279 wrote:
andrethemoogle wrote:
And Republicans weren't the same in 2008 and 2012? Both sides act like idiots (one more so than the other) and are alike in more ways than they think.

Don't remember McCain or Romenlynclaiming election rigged, demanding electors vote for them instead of obama, demanding the electoral college be destroyed, rioting in the streets etc


Come to think of it I don't remember anything like that in '08 or '12 either.
Hmmm....... :chin:


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24 Nov 2016, 4:57 am

There is enough hypocrisy floating around from both sides and all the sides.


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24 Nov 2016, 5:07 am

Forget the crybaby argument.

If the electoral college is meant to be representative of the population of each states. Than why is a Wyoming vote worth 3 Californian. And why is that fair?

And secondly why should 49% of the population speak for an entire state's electoral votes, like it did in Florida, Michigan and Wisconsin isn't that just thrawting the will of the people?

Where is the hypocrisy, every time the electoral college has taken sway like it did in 2000 the country has gone to hell for it.



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24 Nov 2016, 5:09 am

sly279 wrote:
andrethemoogle wrote:
And Republicans weren't the same in 2008 and 2012? Both sides act like idiots (one more so than the other) and are alike in more ways than they think.

Don't remember McCain or Romenlynclaiming election rigged, demanding electors vote for them instead of obama, demanding the electoral college be destroyed, rioting in the streets etc
But Donald Trump did. In 2012 he even tweeted that he wanted it abolished.



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24 Nov 2016, 6:05 am

sly279 wrote:
They've doing everything they hated on trump claiming he'd do if he won.


Yes.

Sweetleaf wrote:
There is enough hypocrisy floating around from both sides and all the sides.


Yes.


Shahunshah wrote:
But Donald Trump did. In 2012 he even tweeted that he wanted it abolished.


Yep. And he stood by it after the election when 60 Minutes asked him about it.

Now the thing with 2000 is Bush did win the popular vote in 2004.

So the question is, who will win the popular vote in 2020?

Sadly I think if Trump wins the 2020 poular vote, even by a landslide, there will be much more violent reaction than there is now.

I am of a young and impressionable mind. Only recently started taking an interest in politics with no favoritism to one side or the other. So far the left are the ones who scare me with how they're reacting and what they're saying. I'm actually beginning to be expecting them to start a war with bullets and bombs.



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24 Nov 2016, 7:28 am

Shahunshah wrote:
Forget the crybaby argument.

If the electoral college is meant to be representative of the population of each states. Than why is a Wyoming vote worth 3 Californian. And why is that fair?

And secondly why should 49% of the population speak for an entire state's electoral votes, like it did in Florida, Michigan and Wisconsin isn't that just thrawting the will of the people?

Where is the hypocrisy, every time the electoral college has taken sway like it did in 2000 the country has gone to hell for it.


Electoral college college is flawed. However most Democratic systems aren't perfect. Generally there is a need to divide the land in to constituencies. So when you do get a leader those areas will be represented, rather than just having centrailsed control. This is an age old problem, to assume it is any different elsewhere is naive.

Generally speaking people only complain about this stuff when they loose not when they win.



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24 Nov 2016, 8:31 am

Raptor wrote:
sly279 wrote:
andrethemoogle wrote:
And Republicans weren't the same in 2008 and 2012? Both sides act like idiots (one more so than the other) and are alike in more ways than they think.

Don't remember McCain or Romenlynclaiming election rigged, demanding electors vote for them instead of obama, demanding the electoral college be destroyed, rioting in the streets etc


Come to think of it I don't remember anything like that in '08 or '12 either.
Hmmm....... :chin:

It certainly happened in 2012. See here

One high-profile Republican:

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"We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided! ... Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us. ... This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy! Our country is now in serious and unprecedented trouble...like never before. ... Our nation is a once great nation divided! The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.”


Some of the posts in that thread make for very interesting reading 8O



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24 Nov 2016, 4:54 pm

EzraS wrote:
sly279 wrote:
They've doing everything they hated on trump claiming he'd do if he won.


Yes.

Sweetleaf wrote:
There is enough hypocrisy floating around from both sides and all the sides.


Yes.


Shahunshah wrote:
But Donald Trump did. In 2012 he even tweeted that he wanted it abolished.


Yep. And he stood by it after the election when 60 Minutes asked him about it.

Now the thing with 2000 is Bush did win the popular vote in 2004.

So the question is, who will win the popular vote in 2020?

Sadly I think if Trump wins the 2020 poular vote, even by a landslide, there will be much more violent reaction than there is now.

I am of a young and impressionable mind. Only recently started taking an interest in politics with no favoritism to one side or the other. So far the left are the ones who scare me with how they're reacting and what they're saying. I'm actually beginning to be expecting them to start a war with bullets and bombs.


No they're doing some of the things, there were concerns trump supporters would do if he lost....not if he won. Trump didn't lose so we haven't gotten to see how his supporters would react. Also though the entire left is not collectively reacting in extreme ways, it's a fraction of them, certainly not enough to start a civil war. I imagine the vast majority of people in this country would opt not to participate in that.

Should I generalize the entire right as nazis because some trump supporters are white supremacist neo-nazis?


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25 Nov 2016, 2:15 am

Shahunshah wrote:
Forget the crybaby argument.

If the electoral college is meant to be representative of the population of each states. Than why is a Wyoming vote worth 3 Californian. And why is that fair?

And secondly why should 49% of the population speak for an entire state's electoral votes, like it did in Florida, Michigan and Wisconsin isn't that just thrawting the will of the people?

Where is the hypocrisy, every time the electoral college has taken sway like it did in 2000 the country has gone to hell for it.


Its not meant to be representative of the states' population. Its based on a state's representation in the two chambers of the national legislature.



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25 Nov 2016, 12:34 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Raptor wrote:
sly279 wrote:
andrethemoogle wrote:
And Republicans weren't the same in 2008 and 2012? Both sides act like idiots (one more so than the other) and are alike in more ways than they think.

Don't remember McCain or Romenlynclaiming election rigged, demanding electors vote for them instead of obama, demanding the electoral college be destroyed, rioting in the streets etc


Come to think of it I don't remember anything like that in '08 or '12 either.
Hmmm....... :chin:

It certainly happened in 2012. See here

One high-profile Republican:

Quote:
"We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided! ... Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us. ... This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy! Our country is now in serious and unprecedented trouble...like never before. ... Our nation is a once great nation divided! The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.”


Some of the posts in that thread make for very interesting reading 8O


But was there actual right wing rioting like what the left did right after this election?
I see no evidence of it. Calling for it and actually doing it are two entirely different things.


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25 Nov 2016, 3:24 pm

Can anyone imagine any election scenario where conservatives would be literally crying in the streets? Angry, yelling, marching, perhaps even locking and loading in an extreme case, those I could all see, but not this "this is worse than 9/11!" style grieving I've been seeing.


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25 Nov 2016, 3:27 pm

Frankly, if you want to know the truth, I find that most people really don't give two craps.

As long as it doesn't affect their lives.



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25 Nov 2016, 3:34 pm

You have reason to be anxious, because cases like this happen all the time: the institutional Left, as represented by highly-paid college administrators, is calling the police on a student for writing a post-it note after being invited to write a post-it note -- and if you don't think they might do something like this to you in some other context, you're mistaken.

Student’s Reaction to Trump Win: ‘Suck It Up, p*****s.’ Police Are Investigating This Hate Crime.
Edgewood College calls post-it-note a cowardly act of hate and intimidation


At Edgewood College, police are investigating a post-it-note that was deemed a "hate crime" by college officials.

The post-it-note says "Suck it up, p*****s!" Whoever wrote it also drew a winking, tongue-out smiley face, like this:

;P

The message is evidently one student's response to the Madison, Wisconsin, college's overwhelming dejection following Donald Trump's election to the presidency.

Students had been invited to express their feelings about the election by writing them on post-it-notes and placing them on a designated table. The post-it-note in question appeared in the window of the Office of Student Diversity and Inclusion instead, according to Campus Reform.

College Vice President Tony Chambers sent a letter to campus condemning this "act of cowardly hatred" and "intimidation." He wrote:

"A group of cross-functional college staff representing campus security, student conduct, human resources, Title IX enforcement, and diversity and inclusion measures convened Tuesday morning to discuss how to address the hateful message. This group determined that the message constituted a Hate Crime…"

College officials informed the Madison police, and now the cops are investigating. They are investigating a post-it-note. With a non-threatening message and a smiley face on it. After inviting students to express their feelings via post-it-note.


http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/23/stude ... -suck-it-u


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