Hi Im new and i wonder Am i a savant or just a bit deluded ?

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Ive always been different , and I guess it was inevitable i would find my way here eventually.I have no diagnosis as such , and could not sekk one for fear of it compromising my career.Last year I was paid $1m to trade and value complex financial instruments.I can do cube roots of 10 digit numbers in my head to 1 decimal place in under 30 seconds when I am in practise , though I make silly transcription errors sometimes and get it wrong.Its the same for me typing this letter , the hardest part is typing the letters in the right order, they dance about in front of my eyes and in my mind.my thoughts do the same.Asking me what Im thinking about is like asking an aeroplane wing to explain the stresses acting within all its parts to a car...its like my mind is continually bombarded with analysis of various different things from different parts of my brain ...its too much noise sometimes , but it means Im smart.very smart , Ive learned not to tell people that anymore but Im used to being viewed as egotistc and arrogant so....the hardest test (critical numerical reasoning)I ever did I got 100% , it was ove 130 IQ people and the second best score in a group of 250 was 70%.I write hard tests for companies to use now...we had a russian maths professor scored 0.I beat a grandmaster after 3 years training at chess.People usually dont believe me , until they know me that is.I dont come across well I guess and people often think Im lying when Im infact ridculously honest.I d exagerrate with phrases such as " you are always doing x" or "why do I worry about x all day long because of you " but I dont exaggerate statistics etc in conversation.

So why am I here.Well I have problems too.I had to be taught social interaction as a process and finally understood all I had done wrong for years...I had had no idea .I get angry at nothing.Im prone to anxiety.I have "narrow interests" sometimes about which I become obsessed....really obsessed.But by choice , I have a drive to be good at everything I try and I apply myself to it scientifically , and pain will never stop me.I was in trouble at school from day 1 for telling techers they were factully wrong ( first one was a dinsoaur period age 7 hehe) , and find it hard to keep my mouth shut if someone is wrong abt a fact.I have a good memory, and used to count cards at blackjack and remember previous hands at bridge and other games.I played card games professionaly and cleaned out some casinos and individuals on the way.I am good at probability , statistics and scientific reasoning , so why cant I understand emotions or read domseones ( I left that one in , it should say someones) face or know if they like me.

My symptoms:
Thoughts fly randomly into my head all the time, usually analytical
I can dream answers to puzzles eg mate in 4 chess problems and remember them in the morning.they are sometimes complex yet corect...often wrong
I can lucid dream at will and choose how I interact in the dream but not the location though Ive tried
I can be really smart but bit dumb in ways i really shouldnt be
Im very clumsy..last week i stained my t shirt 7 consecutive days...I cant help it.
I have facial tick , had it since 7 .
At 4 I had a week long twitch in my whole leg and couldnt walk
when my borther died i couldnt talk for a month...it was like trying to wiggle my ear lobe
I really hate opening post, and get really angry with unhelpful help desk people
Im not violent and hate violence.
I prefer being alone a lot , always hanging out in my room as a kid , and finding it hard to work with more than 1 person.
I can only talk to 1 person at a time.Group conversations drive me mad, i cant focus in on 1 person and ignore the others
related to above when i hear music I hear all the lines and if i try to sing it back i sometimes get confused and try to sing a chord, which doent work out well.I have good pitch and play the cello badly but in tune.I can relate to mozart saying he could hear all the lines of music at once.I can easily do 2 in my head together though more I dont know yet, and for me its subject to the same lack of order as my typing and piano playing and reading , is it mild dyslexia ?
Music calms me , but only if its live , CD doesnt cut it.No emotion.
I can be very distant and unfeeling, i learned at a young age to control my emotions , but it seems to have lapsed...
I have a funny walk instantly recognisable Im told.I fidget and my muscles are tight and i feel poorly coordinated and erratic.I walk into lamposts and walls Im walking alongside sometimes.Wiring a plug is insanely hard for me, and draining.
I used to do simul chess exhibitions blindfold and high level math but it gives me really bad headaches...dont really know why , but now Ive stopped doing it and no more headaches.
my friend has for years said I have AS/savantism esp after every Tv program where admittedly I relate to what is said by the sufferers, though Im not sure if they are as confused or rather inundated with thought as I am.
I repeat phrases and numbers in my head , some for decades now.Im 34.Meaningless crap arranged in 8 syallable or number formats.Im awesome at sudoku or crosswords.I deliberately make no effort to remember phone nos because of this , but its great for my job and makes me a lot of money.
I have meditated my heart rate down to 34 BPM so I can relax when i try...but it leaves me unmotivated for my projects.
I have several projects right now , and will see some throught to my death.they are disproportionately important to me in most others peoples eyes.

I plan ahead for everyting , 2 hours on the cello tomorrow , fix my pc wednesday , read last 3 mnths post thursday.if it gets to thursday and ihave to do something else it really disturbs me.I become agitated and anxious and often angry for hours If Im at a concert and the only band I wanna see is coldplay and my 2 friends drag me to their bands but then somehow let me down so i miss coldplay ( say they are driving and they decide to leave early because they want a steak) I will be really mad and basically done with them.

there is a lot more but Its a whole flood of emotion right now , shaking etc , and the flow has stopped, so for now ....comments welcome ( grits teeth)

Welcome... I'm new aswell

In a word i'd summarise you as a lazy genius, ignoring the flaws, and the fact that that was 2 words

Meditating's the only thing that works for me too if I can manage to get my mind there

...your doing better than me..

I didn't make a million dollars but a good deal of what you wrote, I do. Probably couldn't do an IQ test , last one was just over my head, I couldn't tell which answer they wanted. Maybe they've made IQ tests simpler since then I don't know. Think tanks don't give a damn what label you have, some don't care if you have a degree or not. But your call on if it's good to have it DXed. I won't but for other reasons. I think if you browse around here, you'll see some amazing people and wonder how and the hell they did that thing, I sure couldn't.

Anyway I see a bunch of what you decribe as aspish in nature. And man words are hard to write and you should see the code I put down when in free flow thought. It isn't even close to english. Spelling doesn't count here. What counts is, you're here and among friends. Damn I wish I could remember what day of the week it is though, can you teach me? So a big howdy doody to you

well obviously i dont know what you are.
But, because you asked, i am going to go for slightly deluded.
Correct, yes?
what do i win?

Welcome to WP!

Tim

Welcome hashi,

By my standards perfectly normal.

Recorded music is just mechanical noise.

I would rather live in lucid dreaming, but find it hard, and I have several time/locations I keep going to. Not my choice. It is like some test I keep flunking.

Interacting with the world goes badly, they have a thousand problems and one answer, blame me.

Social interaction is a crooked game and they all cheat. Emotions are for people who wish to avoid facts, and when they have to lie big time, religion and nationalism.

We keep catching them cheating, they blame us.

I see whole systems in my head, so I can fix anything, people respond by becoming angry.

I see systems that never were and they work, I build them and get told I did not do that.

None of them say, I lie and steal because I am a lier and a thief, it is always a higher reason.

I understand the world much too well, they are looking for something to steal.

You are too good for this world.

I cannot live my life by other people's rules, they do not live by them.

You will fit in well here. amid the clutter are some truths, and any truth is rare.

I am sixty, my mixed talents did join and become useful to self development.

I write and would like to learn more of lucid dreaming.

You have it right, you are very good at some things, and the world exists to annoy and anger.

I used to think I was right and the world was wrong.

Since discovering WP I think a few are right and the world is wrong.

Be yourself.

Megadittos Inventor, and welcome hashi!

Hi, and welcome!

I think what you are is fascinating.

thankyou all for your nice comments and for making me feel welcome...seems I am a bit different but maybe not AS...maybe the noise of my thoughts just overwhelms me sometimes and the fact i can meditate my way out of it suggests it is merely some sort of anxiety disorder.Its just that a couple of people keep telling me I am , but its hard for them to understand me.
I did an interesting test , it showed you 20 video clips of poeple smiling and you had to tell the real from the fake.I scored 16/20.I guess an aspie would score 10 ?

Inventor:thanks for your post

"I write and would like to learn more of lucid dreaming. "

yes , its fascinating .I learned of it age 13 , my uncle was a dream researcher...they would wait for REM sleep and drop water on the forehead of the test subject then wake him at the end of that REM section and see what he dreamt...the water would tie in to the dream as we have all experienced before Im sure.
The hardest part for me is staying asleep once I know Im dreaming( to lucid dream all I have to do is repaeat the mantra " I will wake while Im dreaming" to myslef before sleep) .My sister was in a dream of mine , and I told her it was a dream , which she said was nonsense.I said I can prove it and bent over and picked up a truck with one hand by the fender , the instant it left the ground my point was proven adn I awoke.
An interesting corollary to lucid dreaming is when Im falling asleep but am still fully awake yet start to enter a dream , its like my mind goes into auto thought mode and just runs away with itself , I still think Im in control but then suddenyl realise Im not and snap back....do you get that too ?

Ielia
"I think what you are is fascinating"

thanks very nice of you to say

You are very welcome!

Thats not so impressive. To put it into context, the world record for finding the thirteenth root of a one hundred digit number is under 15 seconds.

"Thats not so impressive. To put it into context, the world record for finding the thirteenth root of a one hundred digit number is under 15 seconds."

hehe thats not bad , how could you even read the 100 digits in 15 seconds though ? do you have a link about it ? Is there a trick that means you dont have to read all 100 digits ?

Infact I misstated my post , I do SQUARE roots of 10 digit numbers.I think cube roots are much easier , they can be solved in under 5 seconds using memory.ie you memorise that all nos within range 1000000000-1003003000 have cube root of 1000 etc.You would have to remember 1000+ ranges but it could be done.Could this apply to 13th roots , Im not sure ?

well I looked it up to answer my own question:

Klein's methods for extracting 13th roots can be illustrated with the following number:
14762420839370760705665953772022217870318956930659 27236796230563061507768203333609354957218480390144

The first five digits of the root are fixed through the use of logarithms, Klein has memorized to five places the logs of the integers up to 150; this, coupled with his ability to factor large numbers, allows him to approximate the log of the first five digits of the power, which is usually sufficient to determine the first five digits of the root, though, as he says "the fifth digit is a bit chancy." ' Klein began by factoring 1,476 into 36 times 41 and taking the (decimal) log of each: log 36 = 1.55630 and log 41 = 1.61278; adding the mantissas yields 0.16908, but this is, of course, too little. Through various interpolations Klein estimated the mantissa of the log of 147,624 as 0.16925 (it is more nearly 0.16916). Klein now had an approximation of the log of the 100-digit number above - 99.16925. This must be divided by 13 to obtain the log of the 13th root. Since 99=13X7 with a remainder of 8, to obtain the mantissa of the antilog of the 13th root he divided 8.16925 by 13, which is approximately 0.62840. He estimated the antilog to be about halfway between 4.2 and 4.3 and decided to try 4.25. The result was exact, so the first five digits of the root should be 42500, as indeed they are. It is now necessary to determine the last three digits of the root. This he does from an examination of the last three digits of the power. In the case of odd powers, these uniquely determine the last three digits of the root, but in the case of even roots, like this one, this method yields four possibilities; in the case of 144 they are 014, 264, 514, and 764. (The choices always differ by 250.) To select the correct one Klein divides the original number by 13 and retains the remainder. In the case of 13th roots, the root remainder and the power remainder must be the same. The power remainder is 7; only 764 as the final three digits of the root will yield 7 as the remainder. Thus the 13th root is determined to be 42,500,764. As an example of an odd root take:

75185285487713563581947553291145079861723813162341 53935861550997297991815299022662358976308065985831

The first five digits of the power are 75185, which is nearly 7519, and 7519 is 73 times 103. The mantissa of the log of 73 is 0.86332 and that of 103 is 0.01284. Their sum is 0.87616. Dividing 8.87616 by 13 yields 0.68278. This falls between the mantissas of the logs of 48 and 49, but is much closer to 48. Since 481 is 13 (mantissa 0.11394) times 37 (mantissa 0.56820), the mantissa of its log will be 0.68214; dose, but still a bit low; 4,816 can be factored into 16 (mantissa 0.20412) times 7 (mantissa 0.84510) times 43 (mantissa 0.63347). This gives a mantissa of 0.68269. Then 4,818 factors into 66 (mantissa 0.81954) times 73 (mantissa 0.86332), which yields a mantissa of 0.68286. Thus, in the interpolation we want 9/17 of 20 which is about 10 1/2. The first five digits of the root should be 48170 (48160 + 10). This, in fact, is correct. When Klein actually did the calculation he made a minor error (he was looking for the antilog of 0.68277 instead of 0.68278) and first took 48169 for the first five digits of the root. In this case, however, since the root is odd, the last three digits are uniquely fixed-since the power ends in 831, the root must end in 311. Upon dividing the power by 13 Klein got a remainder of 7. But dividing 48,169,311 by 13 gives a remainder of 8. To make these two remainders come into line he changed his solution to 48,170,311, which is correct.



I do my calculations without using any of these "tricks".Certainly not impressive I agree , but then I didnt come on here to show off , I wanted answers and yes its now clear I am no savant . I am however pretty smart about some things and pretty dumb about others in a way I have never seen in anyone else

wow i am impressed.
i use random numbers to decide which porn dvds to masturbate to.
I have 149 such dvds and generate a psuedo-random number to pick one out for me. It saves a lot of time in the decision process.
Do you use such a system ?

I didn't mean to belittle it or anything, I mean you are abviously a decent mental calculator but probably not at the level to be called a savant (at calculating). Try a google search on mental calculators; there have been even more impressive ones then Klein et al over the years.

You are almost definately better than me at mental calculation anyway. I enjoy mathematicss but derive little pleasure from calculation or even numerical analysis.

I don't see the problem with using tricks either; most of the time when people work something out in their head they will only really want an approximation and if they know a little basic mathematics then they may use power series, taylor series, modular arithmetic, logs etc. to aid in calculation. The reason the thirteenth root solvers use a few different calculating algorithms as opposed to one is the same reason that advanced Rubik's cubers use several different algorithms i.e. the more specific the algorithm, the more efficient it is (in a very loose and over generalised sense) and hence the faster the process is. Most of these kind of things are competetive, speed based things after all.

Hi Hashi!
I'm a mortal who visits WP every day. I love meeting all the geniuses here.

I wouldn't take too much notice of your face recognition score. My grandson of 7 is learning facial expressions from pictures. He now recites the expressions in the same way he would recite word recognition. Six months ago he didn't know what a smile meant.

Welcome O Brain wrapped in a human body. I am sure you have found your place.