Am I the only LGBT person who hates socialism?

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Personally feel that socialism is a system that is always doomed to fail one way or another.

With that said, I have seen that most of the members of the LGBTQ+ community have been praising Socialism without question, and I haven't seen any gay, trans, bisexual, ect. who likes Capitalism as much as I do?

Is there anyone here who feels that socialism is nothing more than another form of fascism? Anyone?

Is Milo Yiannopoulos the only person I can relate to?

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I actually think a mixed economy/system is the most effective. That is one with elements of capitalism and socialism. Pure capitalism would be very ineffective, because then only profit matters...so much less focus on safety regulations for jobs and wellbeing of employees. But with some elements of socialism you can have regulations to keep people safe, ensure they make a wage and also aren't overworked whilst maintaining making profit gains.

Also though socialism is not facism...they just aren't the same thing regardless of how you slice it. I mean go look up the definitions and you will find they are not the same they come from different ideas. You can have authoritarian socialism, which in action would look similar to facism...but by itself socialism is not authoritarian. The Soviet Union was an example of authoritarian socialism but for socialism to exist you don't need a dictator or authoritarianism and forced nationalism like they had in the soviet union. Socialism can also exist with democracy and be a more positive thing but when combined with authoritarianism it certainly can turn nasty. I think that is why some people are confused that socialism and facism are the same.

I can see why a lot of LGBT people would not be too fond of the idea of pure capitalism, and ridding the country of any socialistic elements.

As far as I am concerned the whole argument of capitalism and socialism is meaningless as far as LGBT rights go, if you actually believe that there is any real difference between the two (or whether a person actually believes in any of them or not).

I'm an anarchist, so, yeah, I'm autistic, trans, gay and ... not a socialist.
not conservative either, yeah ...

Yeah, you are. I love socialism; it's great!

Seriously, though: no, you're not. LGBT people can be anywhere on the political spectrum. It just seems like they're all left-leaning on the Internet and in activist spaces.

I'm very left wing, but I can't stand the authoritarian streak that runs through a lot of the left. I don't like where the left has gone/is still going.

^It seems that many people in the "left" have assumed that adopting the tactics of their opponents is the way to 'win'. Win what though? I love the idea of health care for everyone and education for everyone and food for everyone etc. etc.. I am very frightened of the idea of some of the activists I've met ever having any say in whether I receive those things though. Bigotry and fear mongering knows no political boundaries, and the current tone of political discussion in this country, left or right, seems to be shame based and really very psychologically violent under the surface.

Here's one prominent blog:

http://www.gaypatriot.net/

Reading a few entries from that blog left me more confused than when puberty came and went and my interest in 'experimenting' was still there.

I'm a social democrat which is what all the other 1st world countries are. Its when the government intervenes/regulates the capitalist system to uplift the poor but keep the market flowing. For example free health care, social security,and other welfare programs are social democratic policies not socialist or communist. The average American is ignorant though about politics.

I mean both sides have their extremes and I prefer to keep myself from developing a hivemind mentality in either direction but isn't Milo Yiannopolous blatantly transphobic and bit of a bully?

Not judging you or anything. Just trying to understand why people like him so much.

Won't argue that some factions of the left can be pretty damn awful too though, especially Tankies, TERFs and misandrists.

Immediately after the Second World War, many European nations, and others like Canada, adopted or increased their socialist government programs. But, beginning in the 1970s with monetary-manipulation politics, these nations eventually learned that socialism was breaking the banks. If just one or two nations experienced inflation and financial-sector failures, I wouldn't call socialism an abject failure. But, when most of these nations have retooled their economies for decades, I have no choice but to describe it as such.

The current economic troubles in the United States appear to stem from much of the same "tinkering" that has led to the same results. Being gay myself, and having met many, many LGBT individuals who claim to support socialism, I am always bewildered with their support of something about which they seem to know little.

Pure, or almost pure,socialism has been shown to be, invariably, an abject failure.

Even China has had to insert capitalistic elements into their economy. And they were the most ideologically "socialist" of the whole bunch.

Socialism is meant to be a transitory period between capitalism and communism. It goes without saying that choosing to adopt that system rather than move into communism will make it fail. Communism can't survive as just being in one country too. Capitalism is just too powerful. It was meant to be a worldwide movement.

I'm a Marxist so no I don't hate Socialism. I used to be an anarchist but could never justify a society without governance, although I have little faith in any political party these days.

hundertsieben wrote:

I'm an anarchist, so, yeah, I'm autistic, trans, gay and ... not a socialist.
not conservative either, yeah ...

I'm studying political sciencies at college, and most of my teachers would say that anarchism is a form of socialism (excluding anarcho-capitalism of course). I don't know if I agree with them but I see where they're coming from.