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30 Nov 2017, 9:19 pm

Sometimes I get these unexplained feelings when something bad is about to happen. I even can sometimes predict when someone will say no. Do any of you experience something similar?



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01 Dec 2017, 2:30 am

No.

Autistics (aspies included) and humans in general are not psychic in any way.

Most of the time we might have a feeling that something is about to happen, it doesnt. When it does people sometimes think they have magical powers, but they dont think about the times they got it wrong.

Predicting people is not magic, it can be based off of body language, tone, etc. and especially something as simple as guessing when someone will say no.


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01 Dec 2017, 2:53 am

Well, if being psychic is a neurological thing, then it's possible that part of the brain might be more proficient to make up for the parts that are impaired by autism.



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01 Dec 2017, 6:13 am

teksla wrote:
No.

Autistics (aspies included) and humans in general are not psychic in any way.

Most of the time we might have a feeling that something is about to happen, it doesnt. When it does people sometimes think they have magical powers, but they dont think about the times they got it wrong.

Predicting people is not magic, it can be based off of body language, tone, etc. and especially something as simple as guessing when someone will say no.


^ this.

There's no such thing as psychic, and people who claim to be are either frauds or just unaware of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy and Forer effect.

I think your feeling that you might be psychic probably comes from you subconsciously picking up on people's body language, tone of voice, eye signals, etc but not realising that you are. As for non-social situations, you are just predicting the likely outcome from statistics and other logical tools. I "predicted" that I'd passed my exam, but that was actually just because I was able to answer most questions without needing to guess. I also "predicted" that my flight would land safely, but that's actually because it's statistically safer to fly than it is to drive a car.


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01 Dec 2017, 6:30 am

I've read that it's common among female aspies to have a "sixth sense".
I don't doubt that some people are better at sensing certain things that others can't. Just like some people can hear fluorescent light and bat-screech, or how some dogs get really excited before their owner comes home even if they had no obvious way of knowing that the owner were on their way.
My boyfriend's mom will call him up every time he gets depressed or injured or something, because she can just sense that something's not right. She was also the first one to notice that "there's something unusual about Embla". How right she was!

I'm nowhere near psychic, but I've had a couple of prophetic dreams when I was younger. I guess that counts a little.



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01 Dec 2017, 6:49 am

Embla: with all due respect, could what you've described be explained by the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy? There must be times when dogs get excited even though their owners don't come home (or when they fail to get excited when their owners do come), or when your boyfriend's mum calls him when he isn't depressed or injured (or, conversely, when your boyfriend doesn't get a call when he is). And for all the prophetic dreams you had, I'm sure you've had many more that weren't.

When forming hypotheses, the mind is notorious for ignoring data that doesn't fit and emphasising data that does: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Texas_sha ... er_fallacy


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01 Dec 2017, 6:57 am

obviously most of you are gonna immediately pooh-pooh this, but I have had several psychic episodes in my life that could not be explained in terms of subtle [quasi-unconscious] signals. In my youth, I have answered people's questions out of the blue that they did not verbally ask me, and when they asked me how I knew they were gonna ask me these questions, I could not answer them. other family members report similar happenings. my older brother dowses fairly regularly. my sister had a childhood chum whom she repeatedly would answer her questions before her chum asked them, and they mutually would pick up the phone before it rang, when the other would call. and I could hide nothing from my parents who both were psychic.



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01 Dec 2017, 7:15 am

No. Simply put.

Nor can anybody else.


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01 Dec 2017, 7:19 am

auntblabby wrote:
obviously most of you are gonna immediately pooh-pooh this, but I have had several psychic episodes in my life that could not be explained in terms of subtle [quasi-unconscious] signals. In my youth, I have answered people's questions out of the blue that they did not verbally ask me, and when they asked me how I knew they were gonna ask me these questions, I could not answer them. other family members report similar happenings. my older brother dowses fairly regularly. my sister had a childhood chum whom she repeatedly would answer her questions before her chum asked them, and they mutually would pick up the phone before it rang, when the other would call. and I could hide nothing from my parents who both were psychic.


You were right, I was going to immediately pooh-pooh that as there are perfectly tangible explanations for it all.

Texas Sharpshooter fallacy:
For all the times you answered people's questions without them asking, there were probably times where you volunteered information that they weren't wondering about. For all the times your friends simultaneously picked up the phone, there were also times when one rang the other whilst they was doing something else.

Alternatively:
For example, you sensed another person looking at something you had recently bought and you volunteered information about where you'd bought it before the person had a chance to ask.

Aspies aren't good liars so it's no surprise that you couldn't hide things from parents, especially since they knew you well.

Dowsing:
It's been tested scientifically, and was found to be no more effective as a way of finding water than random chance (again, Texas Sharpshooter effect and also No True Scotsman: for all the times a dowser finds water, there are times when he doesn't but he ignores those times and continues believing in dowsing).

Here is the 5 minute video on the scientific dowsing experiment. Instead of revising their view based on the evidence, the participants rationalised away all the times they failed to find water so they could continue believing in dowsing: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_VAasVXtCOI


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01 Dec 2017, 7:23 am

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for all the times a dowser finds water, there are times when he doesn't but he ignores those times and continues believing in dowsing).

you cannot say for a fact, that my brother has ever failed, you were not there. you can only guess at this.



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01 Dec 2017, 7:24 am

Dataunit wrote:

You were right, I was going to immediately pooh-pooh that as there are perfectly tangible explanations for it all.

Texas Sharpshooter fallacy:
For all the times you answered people's questions without them asking, there were probably times where you volunteered information that they weren't wondering about. For all the times your friends simultaneously picked up the phone, there were also times when one rang the other whilst they was doing something else.

Alternatively:
For example, you sensed another person looking at something you had recently bought and you volunteered information about where you'd bought it before the person had a chance to ask.

Aspies aren't good liars so it's no surprise that you couldn't hide things from parents, especially since they knew you well.

Dowsing:
It's been tested scientifically, and was found to be no more effective as a way of finding water than random chance (again, Texas Sharpshooter effect and also No True Scotsman: for all the times a dowser finds water, there are times when he doesn't but he ignores those times and continues believing in dowsing).



+1

It feels nice to have another rational person on this thread


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01 Dec 2017, 7:31 am

auntblabby wrote:
Dataunit wrote:
for all the times a dowser finds water, there are times when he doesn't but he ignores those times and continues believing in dowsing).

you cannot say for a fact, that my brother has ever failed, you were not there. you can only guess at this.

Actually, he can because humans are not psychic.


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01 Dec 2017, 7:31 am

Dataunit wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
obviously most of you are gonna immediately pooh-pooh this, but I have had several psychic episodes in my life that could not be explained in terms of subtle [quasi-unconscious] signals. In my youth, I have answered people's questions out of the blue that they did not verbally ask me, and when they asked me how I knew they were gonna ask me these questions, I could not answer them. other family members report similar happenings. my older brother dowses fairly regularly. my sister had a childhood chum whom she repeatedly would answer her questions before her chum asked them, and they mutually would pick up the phone before it rang, when the other would call. and I could hide nothing from my parents who both were psychic.


You were right, I was going to immediately pooh-pooh that as there are perfectly tangible explanations for it all.

Texas Sharpshooter fallacy:
For all the times you answered people's questions without them asking, there were probably times where you volunteered information that they weren't wondering about. For all the times your friends simultaneously picked up the phone, there were also times when one rang the other whilst they was doing something else.

Alternatively:
For example, you sensed another person looking at something you had recently bought and you volunteered information about where you'd bought it before the person had a chance to ask.

Aspies aren't good liars so it's no surprise that you couldn't hide things from parents, especially since they knew you well.

Dowsing:
It's been tested scientifically, and was found to be no more effective as a way of finding water than random chance (again, Texas Sharpshooter effect and also No True Scotsman: for all the times a dowser finds water, there are times when he doesn't but he ignores those times and continues believing in dowsing).

Here is the 5 minute video on the scientific dowsing experiment. Instead of revising their view based on the evidence, the participants rationalised away all the times they failed to find water so they could continue believing in dowsing: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_VAasVXtCOI


Next you're gonna claim autistic people can't grant wishes :roll:



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01 Dec 2017, 7:34 am

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Next you're gonna claim autistic people can't grant wishes :roll:


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.


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01 Dec 2017, 7:39 am

auntblabby wrote:
Dataunit wrote:
for all the times a dowser finds water, there are times when he doesn't but he ignores those times and continues believing in dowsing).

you cannot say for a fact, that my brother has ever failed, you were not there. you can only guess at this.


Statistically, your brother probably did fail to find water because, as I said, dowsing has been tested scientifically and was proven no more effective than random chance. (Think about it: if it really works, how come wilderness survival guides don't recommend dowsing rods for people venturing into hot deserts?). Even if your brother didn't ever fail, the probability is that there is a dowser somewhere on earth who really has found water every time - but that's do to with the laws of mathematics, not the effectiveness of dowsing.

Please do see the video on dowsing. It really is only 5 minutes long: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_VAasVXtCOI


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01 Dec 2017, 8:59 am

People that believe they or others are psychic are just plain ignorant. Don't waste any more of your time on trying to convince any of them otherwise. Let them live in their own delusional world. If the OP or auntblabby were psychic, then they would be able to predict every outcome without fail every time. The fact that their "powers" only kick in occasionally means that they are simply misunderstanding subconscious cues as being psychic when it happens.

P.S. auntblabby, your parents aren't psychic, they just have eyes in the back of their head. It's a common anatomical feature that parents have.