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23 Dec 2017, 2:05 pm

Heh, just a thread I thought I'd post after a brief conversation at a dinner party before a Grinch who stole Christmas performance by a group of local drag queens. (It was fantastic, btw.)

Anyways, conversation went to a story where my honesty cost me $ and my friend Matt said "Always lie to cops. I lie to cops all the time." and I replied with "Yeah, well, I'm neurologically predisposed to automatically responding with my honest answer. Sometimes I have it well under control, but that time it cost me $x." (when a little white lie would have avoided a fine.) Matt's response? "That sounds terrifying." lol I'd imagine in his line of work it would be for sure if he were to impulsively speak the truth vs. tell the little white lies that allow him to get away with all the things he does bending the rules for his business.

We paid our bills and headed over to the show, so I didn't elaborate on anything else.. but a bit later on I caught myself thinking "If that sounds terrifying to you, there is no f*****g way you could handle the rest of ASD," and that thought led me to feeling... Proud? Something like that. We're a pretty f*****g tough lot of people, really, for all that we endure day in and day out. Now if I ever catch myself getting frustrated and thinking "Why me?" I hope my next thought is "Because I can handle it." Others? Maybe not so much. But me? You? Us? We're made for this. We're tough enough to deal with every part of it and make it through life. I'd like to believe that's "Why me?" Because I can, I can deal with it while moving forward with other things in life - often utilizing my particular ASD strengths.

Just thought I'd share for anyone else who this message might resonate with for a little boost in spirits.


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23 Dec 2017, 3:28 pm

Hmm, actually I am pretty good at thinking up white lies. My problem is I get nervous and stutter while saying them.



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23 Dec 2017, 3:40 pm

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Suicidal Thoughts 10 Times More Likely in Adults With Asperger’s

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Two-thirds (66 percent) of the respondents reported suicidal thoughts, 35 percent reported plans or attempts at suicide, and 31 percent reported depression.

Compared with the general population, adults with Asperger’s syndrome were nearly 10 times more likely to report suicidal thoughts. They were also significantly more likely to have these thoughts than people with one, two, or more medical illnesses, or people with a psychotic illness.

Those with Asperger’s syndrome and depression were four times more likely to report suicidal thoughts and suicide plans or attempts than those with Asperger’s syndrome but without depression. Having a higher level of self-reported autistic traits was also linked to a greater risk.

Co-author and ARC Director Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen said, “Adults with Asperger’s syndrome often suffer with secondary depression due to social isolation, loneliness, social exclusion, lack of community services, underachievement, and unemployment.


Other studies have shown that the suicide ideation is more prevalent among aspies than with those with other mental and physical disabilities and that suicide is the leading cause of the life expectancy being lower for Autistics without intellectual .
disabilities.

I am no hero to have made it to age 60 with undiagnosed autism most of my life, I am a survivor. I had some luck, made a few right decisions, and has some internal toughness also. But all of these factors combined are not true for everybody.


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23 Dec 2017, 3:55 pm

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Heh, just a thread I thought I'd post after a brief conversation at a dinner party before a Grinch who stole Christmas performance by a group of local drag queens. (It was fantastic, btw.)

Anyways, conversation went to a story where my honesty cost me $ and my friend Matt said "Always lie to cops. I lie to cops all the time." and I replied with "Yeah, well, I'm neurologically predisposed to automatically responding with my honest answer. Sometimes I have it well under control, but that time it cost me $x." (when a little white lie would have avoided a fine.) Matt's response? "That sounds terrifying." lol I'd imagine in his line of work it would be for sure if he were to impulsively speak the truth vs. tell the little white lies that allow him to get away with all the things he does bending the rules for his business.

We paid our bills and headed over to the show, so I didn't elaborate on anything else.. but a bit later on I caught myself thinking "If that sounds terrifying to you, there is no f*****g way you could handle the rest of ASD," and that thought led me to feeling... Proud? Something like that. We're a pretty f*****g tough lot of people, really, for all that we endure day in and day out. Now if I ever catch myself getting frustrated and thinking "Why me?" I hope my next thought is "Because I can handle it." Others? Maybe not so much. But me? You? Us? We're made for this. We're tough enough to deal with every part of it and make it through life. I'd like to believe that's "Why me?" Because I can, I can deal with it while moving forward with other things in life - often utilizing my particular ASD strengths.

Just thought I'd share for anyone else who this message might resonate with for a little boost in spirits.


You're so optimistic and I love that.

I've also had a similar thought myself over the years.


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23 Dec 2017, 4:01 pm



And I MEAN it. Badass indeed!


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23 Dec 2017, 4:03 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
As a group not really
Suicidal Thoughts 10 Times More Likely in Adults With Asperger’s
Quote:
Two-thirds (66 percent) of the respondents reported suicidal thoughts, 35 percent reported plans or attempts at suicide, and 31 percent reported depression.

Compared with the general population, adults with Asperger’s syndrome were nearly 10 times more likely to report suicidal thoughts. They were also significantly more likely to have these thoughts than people with one, two, or more medical illnesses, or people with a psychotic illness.

Those with Asperger’s syndrome and depression were four times more likely to report suicidal thoughts and suicide plans or attempts than those with Asperger’s syndrome but without depression. Having a higher level of self-reported autistic traits was also linked to a greater risk.

Co-author and ARC Director Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen said, “Adults with Asperger’s syndrome often suffer with secondary depression due to social isolation, loneliness, social exclusion, lack of community services, underachievement, and unemployment.


Other studies have shown that the suicide ideation is more prevalent among aspies than with those with other mental and physical disabilities and that suicide is the leading cause of the life expectancy being lower for Autistics without intellectual .
disabilities.

I am no hero to have made it to age 60 with undiagnosed autism most of my life, I am a survivor. I had some luck, made a few right decisions, and has some internal toughness also. But all of these factors combined are not true for everybody.


I used to have to deal with intrusive suicidal thoughts. I don't think I've had one in the last ~5 years - if so it was fleeting. Not like when they were nearly constant. I haven't had them because I figured out that a buildup of food acids was responsible for my anxiety/depression/suicidal thoughts & the antidote was epsom salts on my skin for the magnesium & sulphur our bodies require to urinate the acids out. After the first 5 days of epsom salts on my skin, the worst depression of my entire life that had worsened for 5 straight months was all but completely lifted. I've read that 70% of people on the spectrum are sensitive to salicylate acids. In my experience, it's this acid sensitivity that's responsible for such thoughts & we can mitigate it with some basic minerals.


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23 Dec 2017, 4:05 pm

^^^ yes. This. Fact.

Also try Vitamin D. "They" are now discovering that it does a lot more than "they" thought, including help with blood pressure, kidney function, wound healing, emotional regulation. And if we're largely housebound, we probably need some.


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23 Dec 2017, 4:10 pm

Esmerelda Weatherwax wrote:
^^^ yes. This. Fact.

Also try Vitamin D. "They" are now discovering that it does a lot more than "they" thought, including help with blood pressure, kidney function, wound healing, emotional regulation. And if we're largely housebound, we probably need some.


A key thing I learned this year, too. It wasn't until I was out in the Sun for 5-6 weeks that my brain felt like it was fully firing. Then I learned that Vitamin D isn't a vitamin at all, it's a hormone, and we can supplement it all we want but without UV light we can't absorb and utilize it! It was in hindsight that during last Winter, the lowest light Winter of my entire life, my brain functions slipped and ASD symptoms amplified quite a lot. This Winter I've been taking ~6,000iu of liquid Vitamin D immediately before hopping into a tanning bed for the UV light and while I haven't kept up a regular schedule, it's definitely worked wonders. My brain functions are more like June than January.

Although, right now, I've been taking doxicycline for nearly a month and have another month to go, possibly switching to a different drug if this skin rash isn't cleared up completely.. and the antibiotics are definitely undoing the good of the probiotics I take all the time to keep my ASD in check. Soooo, I'm not exactly optimal this Winter - but whatever, such is life - life goes on.


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23 Dec 2017, 6:39 pm

We're really "badass" if we don't have to constantly tell people that we're "badass."

I know what you mean, though. Goldfish is talking about an admiration for Aspie/Autistics who have endured despite the supposed "odds."



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23 Dec 2017, 7:56 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
As a group not really
Suicidal Thoughts 10 Times More Likely in Adults With Asperger’s
Quote:
Two-thirds (66 percent) of the respondents reported suicidal thoughts, 35 percent reported plans or attempts at suicide, and 31 percent reported depression.

Compared with the general population, adults with Asperger’s syndrome were nearly 10 times more likely to report suicidal thoughts. They were also significantly more likely to have these thoughts than people with one, two, or more medical illnesses, or people with a psychotic illness.

Those with Asperger’s syndrome and depression were four times more likely to report suicidal thoughts and suicide plans or attempts than those with Asperger’s syndrome but without depression. Having a higher level of self-reported autistic traits was also linked to a greater risk.

Co-author and ARC Director Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen said, “Adults with Asperger’s syndrome often suffer with secondary depression due to social isolation, loneliness, social exclusion, lack of community services, underachievement, and unemployment.


Other studies have shown that the suicide ideation is more prevalent among aspies than with those with other mental and physical disabilities and that suicide is the leading cause of the life expectancy being lower for Autistics without intellectual .
disabilities.

I am no hero to have made it to age 60 with undiagnosed autism most of my life, I am a survivor. I had some luck, made a few right decisions, and has some internal toughness also. But all of these factors combined are not true for everybody.


I used to have to deal with intrusive suicidal thoughts. I don't think I've had one in the last ~5 years - if so it was fleeting. Not like when they were nearly constant. I haven't had them because I figured out that a buildup of food acids was responsible for my anxiety/depression/suicidal thoughts & the antidote was epsom salts on my skin for the magnesium & sulphur our bodies require to urinate the acids out. After the first 5 days of epsom salts on my skin, the worst depression of my entire life that had worsened for 5 straight months was all but completely lifted. I've read that 70% of people on the spectrum are sensitive to salicylate acids. In my experience, it's this acid sensitivity that's responsible for such thoughts & we can mitigate it with some basic minerals.


I have been lucky to never really have much of a problem with that. The second such a thought occurs I think of the particularly bad hurt it would cause my family and the thought immediately disappearers for a long time. But many others are less fortunate than me and have abusive gaslighting family and "friends" who have repeatedly tell them the world would be better off without them.


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23 Dec 2017, 10:42 pm

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Heh, just a thread I thought I'd post after a brief conversation at a dinner party before a Grinch who stole Christmas performance by a group of local drag queens. (It was fantastic, btw.)

Anyways, conversation went to a story where my honesty cost me $ and my friend Matt said "Always lie to cops. I lie to cops all the time." and I replied with "Yeah, well, I'm neurologically predisposed to automatically responding with my honest answer. Sometimes I have it well under control, but that time it cost me $x." (when a little white lie would have avoided a fine.) Matt's response? "That sounds terrifying." lol I'd imagine in his line of work it would be for sure if he were to impulsively speak the truth vs. tell the little white lies that allow him to get away with all the things he does bending the rules for his business.

We paid our bills and headed over to the show, so I didn't elaborate on anything else.. but a bit later on I caught myself thinking "If that sounds terrifying to you, there is no f*****g way you could handle the rest of ASD," and that thought led me to feeling... Proud? Something like that. We're a pretty f*****g tough lot of people, really, for all that we endure day in and day out. Now if I ever catch myself getting frustrated and thinking "Why me?" I hope my next thought is "Because I can handle it." Others? Maybe not so much. But me? You? Us? We're made for this. We're tough enough to deal with every part of it and make it through life. I'd like to believe that's "Why me?" Because I can, I can deal with it while moving forward with other things in life - often utilizing my particular ASD strengths.

Just thought I'd share for anyone else who this message might resonate with for a little boost in spirits.


I have two tidbits that would support your theory. The first is the only time I ever heard of a kid on the news getting lost in the bush all alone and being found alive days later, the kid had autism. All the NTs I ever heard about didn't make it.

The second is my grandpop. I'm pretty sure he was on the spectrum. Rabidly antisocial. Also a hero who saved many people's lives while working as a sailor. He understood the ocean better than people, and he had absolute zero level of fear.


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24 Dec 2017, 5:12 am

It’s vitamin D3 that’s best apparently, not vitamin D (D2). They’re different. I swear on D3 for coughs and colds. It’s an amazing hormone.


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24 Dec 2017, 5:55 am

It's Christmas time so I treated myself to fish finger sandwiches for lunch the other day. I bought one of the little boxes of 10 as I've no freezer. I had five on day one, fried :) and on day two when I tipped the remaining ones out of the box, THERE WERE SIX! :D I stayed happy for hours, an extra fish finger.

I do get depressed sometimes but I also get enormous amounts of pleasure from little things normal people barely register. :D



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24 Dec 2017, 6:17 am

I do believe to an extent that we're "built" to survive against occasionally seemingly impossible odds.

Go us. :D


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goldfish21 wrote:
Heh, just a thread I thought I'd post after a brief conversation at a dinner party before a Grinch who stole Christmas performance by a group of local drag queens. (It was fantastic, btw.)

Anyways, conversation went to a story where my honesty cost me $ and my friend Matt said "Always lie to cops. I lie to cops all the time." and I replied with "Yeah, well, I'm neurologically predisposed to automatically responding with my honest answer. Sometimes I have it well under control, but that time it cost me $x." (when a little white lie would have avoided a fine.) Matt's response? "That sounds terrifying." lol I'd imagine in his line of work it would be for sure if he were to impulsively speak the truth vs. tell the little white lies that allow him to get away with all the things he does bending the rules for his business.

We paid our bills and headed over to the show, so I didn't elaborate on anything else.. but a bit later on I caught myself thinking "If that sounds terrifying to you, there is no f*****g way you could handle the rest of ASD," and that thought led me to feeling... Proud? Something like that. We're a pretty f*****g tough lot of people, really, for all that we endure day in and day out. Now if I ever catch myself getting frustrated and thinking "Why me?" I hope my next thought is "Because I can handle it." Others? Maybe not so much. But me? You? Us? We're made for this. We're tough enough to deal with every part of it and make it through life. I'd like to believe that's "Why me?" Because I can, I can deal with it while moving forward with other things in life - often utilizing my particular ASD strengths.

Just thought I'd share for anyone else who this message might resonate with for a little boost in spirits.


This is something I'm not proud to admit but I have in the past lied to cops and gotten away with it. I'm terrible at lying, I'm very honest. But if im in a situation where I have to lie or face very very bad consequences I can keep calm and tell convincing lies though it takes alot of effort. I made one of the most stupid decisions of my life not long ago. I was feeling down so I smoked two joints, got the munchies and went to the shop to buy cake, I drove there stoned and on the way back was caught by a trap for going 10mph over the limit, another very stupid decision. I was pulled over. I managed to keep calm while the officer checked my car, licence details and so on, and when asked about when I last smoked marijuana I made a convincing lie as I knew if I didn't they'd drug test Me and take my license, I'd then loose my job and be homeless so I had to. I apologized and they let me go. I know I deserved to have my license taken for such a stupid decision, putting myself and others in danger on the road by doing what I did but just the scare alone has ensured that I learned my lesson and will never do it again.



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24 Dec 2017, 7:59 pm

somehow I stumbled to the place where i'm at now. :scratch: