Isn't it sadistic to *require* cars to make noise?

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30 Jun 2019, 3:48 am

I just read that electric ones would be required to... by law... I suppose I've assumed that fuelled ones are naturally noisy, although I suspect manufacturers also added some element of deliberate noise, but now electric ones, that presumably are naturally quiet, would be legislated against... like every law designed to break the mind, and then more law to react against a broken mind's outlash, why not... this, along the same veins as that genius siren that can be heard by all, outside and inside, from some mile away... just because people are presumably too preoccupied texting while driving and can't possibly be expected to see a headlight trying to get their attention or something, and so hundreds need to be disturbed to get the attention of one... and of course, who never heard of that greatest of car, the modified engine of the idiot whose sole interpretation of such is 'macho'? And for said 'impression' hundreds also need to be disturbed... but no, not because anyone might be injured or worse, at least an ambulance's purpose, no... a modified engine that creates ten times or so the amount of noise of a normal car, all because... they have a small penis. People overcompensate so much... but no, the worst thing is that never is this legislated against, when it's purely disruptive, by intention and effect, with no positive outcomes whatsoever, but why would they when they'd legislate *for* noisy electric vehicles, eh?

I hate people...



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30 Jun 2019, 4:38 am

I just read about this also, in the UK. They are talking of requiring electric cars to make a noise when travelling below 12mph, I think. The logic is that when the car is travelling very slowly, such as in a car park, it can be inaudible because there is essentially no rolling noise of tyres on tarmac, and thus it presents a hazard to blind people. That seems to be a good reason for requiring them to make a small noise.

What worries me is that the law, or the manufacturers, may be tempted to "play it safe" and have the car make an unnecessarily loud noise. I am thinking of those dreadful reversing warning beepers on commercial vehicles and on construction vehicles, which can sometimes be heard from many blocks away.

But if done sensibly, it would seem to be justifiable for the sake of blind people.



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30 Jun 2019, 4:41 am

From what I understand, this is based on a history of accidents caused by electric cars not being noticed because they are very quiet (and headlights aren't always in use or noticable). But sure, it's just as likely that the real reason is penises.


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30 Jun 2019, 5:01 am

Weirdness wrote:
I just read that electric ones would be required to... by law... I suppose I've assumed that fuelled ones are naturally noisy, although I suspect manufacturers also added some element of deliberate noise, but now electric ones, that presumably are naturally quiet, would be legislated against... like every law designed to break the mind, and then more law to react against a broken mind's outlash, why not... this, along the same veins as that genius siren that can be heard by all, outside and inside, from some mile away... just because people are presumably too preoccupied texting while driving and can't possibly be expected to see a headlight trying to get their attention or something, and so hundreds need to be disturbed to get the attention of one... and of course, who never heard of that greatest of car, the modified engine of the idiot whose sole interpretation of such is 'macho'? And for said 'impression' hundreds also need to be disturbed... but no, not because anyone might be injured or worse, at least an ambulance's purpose, no... a modified engine that creates ten times or so the amount of noise of a normal car, all because... they have a small penis. People overcompensate so much... but no, the worst thing is that never is this legislated against, when it's purely disruptive, by intention and effect, with no positive outcomes whatsoever, but why would they when they'd legislate *for* noisy electric vehicles, eh?

I hate people...


Umm...

Have you ever heard of something called a...."muffler"?

Every gas powered car on the planet has been legally required to have that thing on the bottom (that wide thing along the pipe that leads to the exhaust pipe) for the last century.

When the muffler fails even the wimpiest and least macho car sounds like a Sherman tank coming down the road. Life would be acoustic hell without the laws that requires mufflers.

Macho guys do drive loud motorcycles, and they do do other things to cars. But you don't NEED to modify an internal combustion engine car to make it loud. You just need a failed muffler.

So macho ism doesn't have much to do with it.

Though it is ironic the electrics are SO silent that they not only don't need mufflers, they law may require them to make artificial sound for safety reasons.



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30 Jun 2019, 5:53 am

Imagine trying to walk (or cycle) along a country lane with frequent [silent] electric cars passing you at 40mph!

You'd be scared out of you wits.

The first you'd know about it was when it whooshed past two feet away from you.



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30 Jun 2019, 6:34 am

It's for blind people. Unfortunately a lot of things that have helped the blind have the unintended consequence of making life worse for Autistic people. Just like the busses and trains here having to loudly announce every bloody stop and various other things. I miss the days when the busses and trains were more peaceful (I do understand how it helps the blind though)



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30 Jun 2019, 6:36 am

Then again, with advances in technology couldn't the cars be designed to just play the engine noise when there's people close by on the curb? Or blind people could wear an ear piece that the car noises came through, same with bus/train announcements.

The powers that be probably don't care enough about peace and quiet to make the effort though.



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30 Jun 2019, 7:56 am

Sam64 wrote:
Then again, with advances in technology couldn't the cars be designed to just play the engine noise when there's people close by on the curb? Or blind people could wear an ear piece that the car noises came through, same with bus/train announcements.

The powers that be probably don't care enough about peace and quiet to make the effort though.


Just making an electric sound like a conventional all-gas family non-muscle car with a muffler....that isn't so bad.

How can you object to that?



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30 Jun 2019, 8:06 am

Sounds like a great idea to me. I wouldn't like to be flattened by a car I didn't hear coming.


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01 Jul 2019, 2:44 am

How is it legally required when there is always someone without a muffler naturalplastic?



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01 Jul 2019, 4:37 am

I don't think they're proposing it has to make a really loud noise, just a normal car sound so that people can hear it approaching. I think I'm of the opinion I'd rather that than get run over by a car I didn't hear coming. I have enough trouble crossing roads etc as it is.



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01 Jul 2019, 4:53 am

Weirdness wrote:
How is it legally required when there is always someone without a muffler naturalplastic?


Manufacturers are required to install mufflers. The legality of custom pipes installed by owners varies from state to state.



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01 Jul 2019, 5:06 am

harry12345 wrote:
Imagine trying to walk (or cycle) along a country lane with frequent [silent] electric cars passing you at 40mph!

You'd be scared out of you wits.

The first you'd know about it was when it whooshed past two feet away from you.

At 40mph, tyres make enough noise for the car to be noticeable.

The requirement applies to parking manouver speeds and the noise should be comparable to well muffled gas engines. My husband's former boss experienced the problem in his hybrid: pedestrians don't notice a colpletely silently moving vehicle until it gets dangerously close.


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