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03 Mar 2020, 4:45 pm

I hate it when people (Aspie or allistic) say this. You see, when I was a teenager and early 20s I was often told how embarrassing I behaved in public, and was always told by my peers and adult family members; "you're making a fool of yourself", "what will people think?", "put that in your pocket", "don't shout that out loud", "keep your cool", etc etc.
So it finally got drummed into me that I have to look like and act like everyone else in public, and I have now become afraid to break any rules without any exceptions. I also have social anxiety, which is fear of being in the "spotlight" in public, and to me it's extreme. But even some NTs don't understand how discreet I prefer to be in public - even though NTs are the ones who are famous for doing anything to not look different.

How can I get people to understand that I do not like looking different in public and that I cannot help worrying about it?


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03 Mar 2020, 5:05 pm

I get where you're coming from... but also I cannot tell you how liberating it is to stop worrying about what other people think :lol:

Don't get me wrong: I value manners and civilised behaviour a lot and hate the spotlight, so I act accordingly in public, it's for me more a matter of respect for others than anything else. But when it comes to how I live my life, how I think and the choices I make nobody else (except my wife) gets to have a say or express an opinion. "What will people say" is irrelevant as long as I'm content and happy with my life.

So maybe do what makes you feel safe in public etc, just be careful not to allow others to dictate how you live your life and what you think, that's a sure way to unhappiness.


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03 Mar 2020, 5:10 pm

Joe90 wrote:
... How can I get people to understand that I do not like looking different in public and that I cannot help worrying about it?
You can't. First, you are a woman, and women are judged by their appearance by both men and women.

Second, the more you try to conform, the more obvious it will be that you are somehow different. Remember all those times we've told men to not act desperate for a girlfriend? A similar idea applies to women; the desperation to conform will show.

Third, I gave up trying to conform, because it seems that by the time I figure out what is "fashionable", it has usually passed out of fashion. Were it not for blue jeans, Hawai'ian shirts, and sandals, I would never feel comfortable in public. The casual slob look seems timeless, and dressing like an old man on vacation simply works for me.

Finally, a woman who sets her own style is far more attractive than another Mean Girl wannabe trying to fit in. As my late mother used to say, "This is how women are supposed to look, no matter what they're wearing." It took me years to understand that she was talking about attitude and bearing, and not about clothing.

Anyway, I'm just a 60-something old man lecturing a young woman on fitting in -- "mansplaining", as it were -- and you are free to ignore my advice completely.

Good luck.



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03 Mar 2020, 5:11 pm

I ended up being depressed and frustrated when I found that no matter how hard I tried to act and be like everyone else, I wasn't. And then I thought "Forget it! I am me and people can take me as I am". I just wasn't sure who I was due to masking for soo long... But I'm me and they can take it or shove it! Haha!



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03 Mar 2020, 5:15 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I hate it when people (Aspie or allistic) say this. You see, when I was a teenager and early 20s I was often told how embarrassing I behaved in public, and was always told by my peers and adult family members; "you're making a fool of myself", "what will people think?", "put that in your pocket", "don't shout that out loud", "keep your cool", etc etc.
So it finally got drummed into me that I have to look like and act like everyone else in public, and I have now become afraid to break any rules without any exceptions. I also have social anxiety, which is fear of being in the "spotlight" in public, and to me it's extreme. But even some NTs don't understand how discreet I prefer to be in public - even though NTs are the ones who are famous for doing anything to not look different.

How can I get people to understand that I do not like looking different in public and that I cannot help worrying about it?


I totally agree with you! What angers me the most is that it is the NT-s that say this to me. But NT-s are the ones that worry about what others think -- so why are they telling me not to? It seems like its just an excuse they make in order to further ostracize you. They typically say it to me when I complain about what others think -- so their reason for saying this is to find an excuse not to help me. But why is it they don't want to help me? Because if they did, then THEY would look bad. But wait a second? I thought they don't care what people think?! Apparently they do. So since they care about what people think so much -- they want to avoid me -- and in order to avoid me they are telling me not to care what people think. Don't you see how hypocritical that is?!



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03 Mar 2020, 5:17 pm

Fnord wrote:

Finally, a woman who sets her own style is far more attractive than another Mean Girl wannabe trying to fit in.


Correct and usually they all hurry to imitate and copy her style!


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03 Mar 2020, 5:23 pm

Both my Mum and I often get told off because we don't comply to what other people expect us to be... Somehow they say we should be ourselves and yet act and be like them at the same time?



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03 Mar 2020, 5:29 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
Somehow they say we should be ourselves and yet act and be like them at the same time?


:lol: Oh, yeah, I recognise this one. Welcome to the hypocrisy of the world!


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03 Mar 2020, 5:30 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
... Somehow they say we should be ourselves and yet act and be like them at the same time?
"They" would tell me to be myself, and then complain because I was acting like someone else!



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03 Mar 2020, 5:39 pm

Trying to think what the saying is that people say. Something like "Do what I say and act your shoesize?" Hang on... Do what I say and do but not what I do? Act your shoesize and not your age?
Nope. They don't sound right either... :mrgreen:



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03 Mar 2020, 5:41 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
Trying to think what the saying is that people say. Something like "Do what I say and act your shoesize?" Hang on... Do what I say and do but not what I do? Act your shoesize and not your age?
Nope. They don't sound right either... :mrgreen:


Hang on.

Do what I say but don't do what I do. That is it.



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03 Mar 2020, 5:43 pm

I understand the confusion and do sympathize. I remember when I was paralyzed with fear because I knew I had no clothes to attend X,y,z when I was younger. I still worry about it from time to time, but then I dismiss it because I have learned how unproductive it is.

Trying to make sense out of NT behavior can be exhausting and perhaps even futile for ND folks.

But learning to stop letting what other people think is a learning process. At least it is/was for me.


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03 Mar 2020, 5:44 pm

Somehow, I can't remember my trail of thought.

But anyway. People want you to be like them and they don't accept that other people are different to them and live in different ways.



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03 Mar 2020, 5:45 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
"Forget it! I am me and people can take me as I am".


I had that thought in my late twenties: took me till I was into my thirties to implement though.

I’m much more openly “weird”, and settling into getting more so! :lol:
Thing is, people really do treat me better than when I put afford into trying to “fit”.
Think it’s half I feel more comfortable with myself and am thus an easier person to be around, and half benders point about manners... “polite oddball” me can be endearing, even charming: wall of frustration not understanding why my efforts weren’t working didn’t suit me as a ‘look’ anything like as well.

(But yes: I think it’s a thing said under the assumption that “being yourself”=“conforming”, which isn’t even true of all NTs fcol)



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03 Mar 2020, 5:50 pm

Karamazov wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
"Forget it! I am me and people can take me as I am".


I had that thought in my late twenties: took me till I was into my thirties to implement though.

I’m much more openly “weird”, and settling into getting more so! :lol:
Thing is, people really do treat me better than when I put afford into trying to “fit”.
Think it’s half I feel more comfortable with myself and am thus an easier person to be around, and half benders point about manners... “polite oddball” me can be endearing, even charming: wall of frustration not understanding why my efforts weren’t working didn’t suit me as a ‘look’ anything like as well.

(But yes: I think it’s a thing said under the assumption that “being yourself”=“conforming”, which isn’t even true of all NTs fcol)


This is pretty much how I taught my son from very early on: explained to him the advantages and disadvantages of either making an effort or refusing to "fit in" in various situations and let him choose which he preferred.


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03 Mar 2020, 5:56 pm

NT's can be confusing. (I maybe one! :mrgreen: Who knows!)
But maybe we need a spectrum for confusing NT's? :D
Actually, if I am found to be an NT, I will be an odd NT, so I could be classed in my own unique classification...:P

Sorry. Just thinking aloud.