Is the Chinese government committing genocide?

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beneficii
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04 Jul 2020, 1:39 am

It looks like China is imposing measures intended to prevent births within the Uyghur Muslims. If the intent of these actions is to destroy the Uyghur Muslims in whole or substantial part, then the actions are by definition genocide.

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Jewish World Watch has said that the large-scale arbitrary detention program, removal of children and systematic destruction of cultural heritage constitute crimes against humanity under international law. These widespread, rights-effacing population control measures take the matter one step further, invoking the possibility that not just cultural but full-blown genocide is underway. Indeed, implementing efforts to prevent births within a national, ethnical, racial or religious group can amount to genocide, when done with the intent to destroy said group, in whole or in part.

Article II of the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide lists five enumerated acts that — when perpetrated with the requisite intent — constitute genocide. One of these prohibited acts is “imposing measures intended to prevent births” within a targeted group. Adrian Zenz’s research demonstrates that Beijing set an “unprecedented near-zero population growth target” for the Uyghur region for 2020. The CCP’s 2019 campaign documents reveal past and future plans to mass sterilize or forcibly implement intrusive birth control procedures on at least 80 percent of rural Uyghur women in southern Xinjiang. Zenz concludes that government documents offer compelling evidence of China’s intent to subject the Uyghurs to “demographic genocide.”

The “intent to destroy” is what sets genocide apart from all other mass atrocity crimes. While Beijing has claimed its multifarious campaigns against the Uyghurs are motivated by de-radicalization and assimilation, something far more nefarious may be undergirding these abuses. Indeed, the Chinese government’s unconscionable, fear-based tactics of population control reveal a level of dehumanization and othering consistent with genocidal regimes since time immemorial. The eradication of a protected group need not occur in one fell swoop in order for it to constitute genocide. International tribunals have recognized that “slow death” via a vast array of systematic and widespread abuses over time can also amount to genocide. By simultaneously shrinking the Uyghur population and making life for Uyghurs intolerable on every level, Beijing may be aiming for just that.

The United States and international community must respond immediately to ensure this eventual erasure never comes to pass. In response to the reports, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called on the Chinese Communist Party to “immediately end these horrific practices” and asked, “all nations to join the United States in demanding an end to these dehumanizing abuses.”


https://www.jww.org/conflict-areas/chin ... a-uyghurs/


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04 Jul 2020, 1:42 am

Here’s the UN’s definition of genocide:

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In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

a. Killing members of the group;

b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml


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04 Jul 2020, 2:02 am

I think we should at least consider letting Taiwan back in the UN.

That said, between China's treatment of the Uighurs, Tibetans and pro-democracy activists in both Hong Kong and the mainland, their failure to prevent COVID-19 from becoming a pandemic (either not regulating or misregulating the outdoor seafood markets, and silencing whistleblowers), and their military ventures in the South China Sea--it's very difficult to trust the PRC's leadership, especially Xi himself.


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04 Jul 2020, 2:16 am

beneficii wrote:
Here’s the UN’s definition of genocide:

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In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

a. Killing members of the group;

b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml


FYI the Han dominated CCP have been doing this to the indigenous peoples in Southern China and to Tibetans for 60 + years. It's called "sinification" and there is nothing anyone outside of China is going to do to stop them as China's internal affairs are tightly controlled and media is kept out.



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04 Jul 2020, 2:18 am

Certainly not! These are normal things that reasonable governments do:


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Authorities have since 2017 been sending men to live with Uighur women, many of whose husbands had been sent to prison camps.

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Those men often sleep in the same beds as the women, a new Radio Free Asia report says, citing two unnamed Chinese officials.


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Since 2017, China has run a "Pair Up and Become Family" program in the region, in which Communist Party officials who are Han Chinese — the ethnic group that makes up most of China's population — stay in Uighur homes.

The program is to "promote ethnic unity," officials say, but it also lets the government keep a close eye on the Uighurs.

Those officials, who are mostly men, typically stay for up to six days at each Uighur household, many of which have male family members in detention, RFA described an anonymous Communist Party official in Kashgar as saying.


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The Han Chinese officials — who are called "relatives," even though they are not family — visit Kashgar every two months and work and eat with Uighur families, as well as discuss Communist Party political ideology, the official told RFA.

"They help [the families] with their ideology, bringing new ideas," he told RFA. "They talk to them about life, during which time they develop feelings for one another."

He added that "normally one or two people sleep in one bed, and if the weather is cold, three people sleep together," and that "it is now considered normal for females to sleep on the same platform with their paired male 'relatives.'"


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These are clearly good and just things that just and sensible governments engage in.


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04 Jul 2020, 3:11 am

Yep. Fits the definition, IMHO. Appalling.

The world is distracted at the moment.

And...

Now I wish we hadnt been so successful in defeating Al Queda!

Seriously...we should take every prisoner we have in Gitmo, and take everyone of those ISIS POWs that the Kurds have, and give each one of them back their guns, and just infiltrate them into northest China to liberate the Uighers. Tell each one of them the truth: that "the Chinese are doing worse s**t to the Muslim Uighers than either the US, or Israel, has EVER done to any Muslim group. So go ahead ... and do your terrorism thing against the infidel Han Chinese. Kill as many as you can! And as General Monty said to his men at D-Day 'good hunting'."



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04 Jul 2020, 3:31 pm

Here's a link to a sight about genocide:
genocide watch

and some interesting information about the process of genocide:
ten stages of genocide

It used to be the eight stages, and if you do some searching on the internet (and probably through the genocide watch page) you can find some articles detailing parts of the process of genocide which have been carried out throughout history.



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04 Jul 2020, 3:40 pm

Of course not! Those Uighurs aren't in concentration camps! Those are vocational training centers! We have many official interviews of happy Uighurs thanking the CCP for offering them training and not letting them fall to the temptation of terrorism! It's good that they have been saved from that barbarous anti-patriotic religion!

(Don't expect too many ppl to call it what it is though. Hatred of Islam and appeasement of the PRC are far too fashionable these days).


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04 Jul 2020, 4:42 pm

Yep.


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04 Jul 2020, 5:37 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Yep. Fits the definition, IMHO. Appalling.

The world is distracted at the moment.

And...

Now I wish we hadnt been so successful in defeating Al Queda!

Seriously...we should take every prisoner we have in Gitmo, and take everyone of those ISIS POWs that the Kurds have, and give each one of them back their guns, and just infiltrate them into northest China to liberate the Uighers. Tell each one of them the truth: that "the Chinese are doing worse s**t to the Muslim Uighers than either the US, or Israel, has EVER done to any Muslim group. So go ahead ... and do your terrorism thing against the infidel Han Chinese. Kill as many as you can! And as General Monty said to his men at D-Day 'good hunting'."

I second this.


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04 Jul 2020, 5:59 pm

roronoa79 wrote:
(Don't expect too many ppl to call it what it is though. Hatred of Islam and appeasement of the PRC are far too fashionable these days).


"Islam is bad" and "genociding muslims is bad" are not oppositional statements.


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04 Jul 2020, 9:43 pm

No surprise


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05 Jul 2020, 4:48 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
roronoa79 wrote:
(Don't expect too many ppl to call it what it is though. Hatred of Islam and appeasement of the PRC are far too fashionable these days).


"Islam is bad" and "genociding muslims is bad" are not oppositional statements.


Agreed: holding that an idea, or linked structure of ideas, is bad does not, in itself, imply that one also wishes to remove the freedom to think in such a manner from one’s fellow human beings.
Debating them, and ignoring them are also options.

And, yep: the CCP has been using “War on Terror” as ideological cover for committing a cumulative series of genocidal acts in Xinjiang for at least a decade now.