Are the Conservative Party part of the Russian mafia?

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02 Sep 2020, 1:53 pm

After the Skripals and the murder of Dawn and now Navalny, the Tories accept money and give the son of a KGB spy a peerage. At this point what prevents them from importing Novichok and killing their British opponents similarly? Hell, I bet they've built up a cult strong enough that if all their families were poisoned the remaining conservative alive would vote for them again. They might be lonely, but of course in their minds Labour are magically at fault (I tried to come up with what possible logic they might have, but failed...)



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02 Sep 2020, 1:55 pm

The entire Russian election fraud thing was a hoax.



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02 Sep 2020, 1:58 pm

I think they are definitely in cahoots.


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02 Sep 2020, 4:30 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
The entire Russian election fraud thing was a hoax.


Yes it was. It's sad to see the anti-Russian hysteria seems to have spread from the US to the UK.



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02 Sep 2020, 4:35 pm

Hmmm...

So both America's GOP, and the UK Conservative Party have become local franchises of the Russian Mob?

Well...

The Labour Party, and the Democrats, have no choice but to get help from Beijing, and to pit the Russian Mob against the Chinese Triads!



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02 Sep 2020, 5:07 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
The entire Russian election fraud thing was a hoax.


In the UK the Conservative Party actually take sizable donations from Russia, that is not a hoax, it is fact that they themselves admit as the donations are made public. They did also just make a Russian, who is son of a KGB officer, a peer, which means he is now in the House Of Lords and gets to decide on new laws for the country.

As for the original question, no they are not part of the Russian mafia, but for many years, and still today, there are strong and concerning links between the Tories and powerful Russian figures.



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02 Sep 2020, 5:13 pm

Oligarchs aren't necessarily the mob but to deny the plausibility of their sharing finances worldwide in order to consolidate power would be extremely naive.


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03 Sep 2020, 1:00 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
The entire Russian election fraud thing was a hoax.


Untrue. A Republican senate committee has recently come to the same conclusions as the Dems about Trump's conspiring with the Russians.


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03 Sep 2020, 6:21 am

I dont think anyone with common sense to get elected to Parliament would have such a death wish as to tango with the Russian Mob.


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03 Sep 2020, 8:51 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
The entire Russian election fraud thing was a hoax.


Untrue. A Republican senate committee has recently come to the same conclusions as the Dems about Trump's conspiring with the Russians.

What about the fake "dossier" that Hillary paid for to make it appear that Trump was colluding with the Russians? Or the Mueller Report?



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03 Sep 2020, 9:00 am

I doubt it.

Unfortunately a lot of smaller towns are right wing. A lot of people. It's rare places in England that are majority left wing.

They just won the election, no conspiracy needed.

They'll win again because the kinds of people who want to vote Tory will vote Tory and the kinds of people who want to vote Labour won't be convinced by Starmer. You'll convince a few centrists, esp those who bought into the 'anti semitism' thing with Corbyn, but it won't be enough.

Corbyn was very popular with the left. It's just that the left isn't a lot of people in England. And Scotland, which is more left wing and much more anti-Tory, liked SNP better than the Scottish Labour party.

Met Corbyn coming off a train in Edinburgh. We smiled and waved at him and there was the usual chanting. But the consensus on the train was 'he's a good guy, I'm still not voting for a unionist party though'.

Now Brexit's done, the right has little cause to vote for UKIP so that gets some of the Tory vote too.

Occam's razor is a good theory, especially when the conspiracy plays into things you wish were true.


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03 Sep 2020, 12:39 pm

I think people are confusing collusion with the Russian government with involvement with the Russian Mafia.

This is totally different, governments around the world may or may not have colluded with Putin.

The Russian Mob doesn't deal with governments or government officials,they are a criminal organization.They make Italian mafia look like sesame street.Even Yakuza wouldn't mess with them.

Doing business with the Russian Mob is a death wish :skull:


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07 Sep 2020, 1:06 pm

It’s ironic that the people who get most concerned about reports of supposed “Russian meddling” in our society are usually liberal sorts who would demand more evidence and more clarity were they to hear about virtually any other form of “foreign meddling”.

So when it comes to complaining about “Russian meddling”, people should really make more effort to differentiate between the Russian state and Russian citizens, or between law-abiding Russian businessmen and the “Russian mob”.

Evgeny Lebedev, the son of a KGB spy who was given a peerage, is a British citizen (with dual nationality). If any liberal has a problem with this, I’d be interested to know why.

And the Tory government’s reaction to the Skripal case was actually evidence of an ingrained antipathy towards Russia’s government. They accused the Russian state of being behind the poisoning, and then expelled several Russian diplomats, before properly analyzing the evidence (and the evidence that the Russian government was behind it is still unconvincing if you bother to ask “cui bono”).



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07 Sep 2020, 1:12 pm

Do I need to mention again this thread is about the Russian Mafia,not collusion with Putin.

These are two different concepts and the Russian Mob doesn't deal with government officials,they commit crimes period.They will kill you in a heartbeat.


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07 Sep 2020, 1:46 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
Do I need to mention again this thread is about the Russian Mafia,not collusion with Putin.



Maybe the OP is best placed to say what this thread is about.

If you take the thread title in isolation you might say this thread is about the Russian Mafia alone, but if you take the thread title and opening post together, this thread seems to be about various other things in addition, e.g., the Skripal case (which has been officially blamed on the Russian government), Russian donations to the Tories (which have come from private citizens), and the peerage given to Evgeny Lebedev (who is a British citizen).



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07 Sep 2020, 2:04 pm

slam_thunderhide wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Do I need to mention again this thread is about the Russian Mafia,not collusion with Putin.



Maybe the OP is best placed to say what this thread is about.

If you take the thread title in isolation you might say this thread is about the Russian Mafia alone, but if you take the thread title and opening post together, this thread seems to be about various other things in addition, e.g., the Skripal case (which has been officially blamed on the Russian government), Russian donations to the Tories (which have come from private citizens), and the peerage given to Evgeny Lebedev (who is a British citizen).

The OP should not put the Russian Mob together with corrupt Russian politicians who are in collusion with corrupt English politicians.

The Russian Mob kills people period and doesn't do business with any politician.Putin would piss his pants at the thought of the Russian Mob.


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