What do you think about this? This is what someone has said about abortion on another forum.
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I had an abortion. I'm of the very strong opinion that if you're not someone who has needed an abortion and will never need one then you're not in a position to have an opinion. Every woman is an individual, whose life circumstances, health and personal needs will be as individual as anything a man experiences. And you cannot presume to even know any one woman's situation in detail enough to pass judgement on her choice to get an abortion. That is why it's none of anyone else's business, except for that woman and anyone else *she* wishes to include in that choice, like her partner or her family.
Moreover, to say abortion is wrong except in cases where the woman might die is such bullcrap. The only reason anyone would think woman should not have abortion except when that she might die is because limiting access to abortion is ultimately about controlling the woman. That's the position of someone who thinks women need to be punished for being sexual persons, as nature made us, and for having sex, as is natural and normal. We hear the same nonsense with the case of rape. But since you didn't make that exception, I'm going to assume you're a classy dude who thinks women who are raped should be punished for it (because we all know rape is the victim's fault and not the rapist's).
But either way, if you make one exception for abortion than really, you're saying the medical procedure of abortion itself is OK. It's just you don't think women ourselves actually have the right to choose an abortion,and thus iltimately be able to make choices about our own lives and health. We need Very Moral Men like you to decide when it might be OK for us to have an abortion--like if we might die. How gracious of you! Buuuuuut giving that ANY pregnancy can be life-treatening because pregnancy is inherently a risky biological event, I wonder where we are suppose to draw the line? Any OB-Gyn will tell you you can't actually know when a woman "might die" from a pregancy until she actually has died, and then,whoops, it's a little too late your crusading moralizing! What a pickle!
In addition to the reality-defiant absurdity of all of this, your postion exposes how your baseline thinking towards women is that we're sluts and whores, and only a few of us can possibly be exempt from your judgement. Nevermind that the majority of women who seek abortions are already mothers with families and want an abortion because they cannot afford another child for one reason or another. Those whores!
But facts--eh. They mess with our BELIEFS. And we love believing women deserve to be controlled and punished, because we're such damned sluts. Nevermind if forcing women to carry an unwanted or unplanned pregnancy:
--keeps them and their children in poverty, or will force them into poverty
--forces them (and any children they may have) to stay with an abusive partner
--swamps them with medical bills for themselves or their child that are financially overwhelming
--costs them a job or an education which in turn limits their future ability to earn an income to support themselves and that child
--or if their pregnancy complicates a pre-existing health problem, like heart disease or depression, compromises their long-term health and ability to raise that child
Why should we let logic, facts, common decency and compassion over those very real issues that compel women to seek an abortion get in the way of our sanctimonous belief that women are just whores who need to be kept in their place? Why should we let women have any control over their bodies, their life choices and ultimately their quality of life and the quality of life of any child they may have? No. Can't have that. Too reasonable. Too compassionate. Too civilized. And that would be too much like treating women like they are human beings. The horror.
Look, let's get real: abortion has been a part of human culture as long as there has been human culture, because women, like or it not, have always made choices about when they should and should not be pregnant (actually a very common phenomenon in many species). For ages, we have trusted women to make this choice. It's only in recent centuries, thanks largely to patriarchial religions like Christianity, that society has stopped trusting women to make these choices about pregnancy and child-bearing that we have evolved to make. Yeah, that's why nature gave us the uterus and not you dudes. Sorry, but it's time to start trusting women again. Deal with it.
30 Jan 2021, 7:46 pm
