ASD as minority identity
Was just wondering why ASD and its related neurological disorders (ADHD, OCD, PDD etc.) haven't been added to the minority identity spectrum (i.e. LGBTQI+, BIPOC etc.). I mean, when you think about it, autism in particular is an identity for many people as it shapes who they are and how others perceive them as well, and frequently makes it difficult for others to accept them as "normal", resulting in discrimination and prejudice when it comes to making friends and getting jobs. For many people, it's not even able to be hidden, while many other identities no one would be aware of if you didn't tell them.
I've noticed that many companies go out of their way to hire minorities of all walks of life, including giving them preference over cis white males (one online writing job I saw recently basically admitted they were actively searching for "non-white" minorities and LGBTQI members to make themselves look more diverse), in which case, why isn't the same done for ASD people? ASD sufferers arguably face more prejudice and discrimination than any other minority group these days (for example, no person with a visible form of autism is going to be hired if there's even one other non-autistic applicant, no matter what community they belong to or identity they have, which explains why there's vocational programs specifically for autistic people but no other identity). Many autistic people are perfectly capable of doing any kind of job anyone else can, there's just too many societal obstacles in their way. Logically, if people cared about the ASD community, they'd include them as well but it seems like they're content to keep them from getting any of the chances they afford other victims of prejudice. Think about it... who deserves more help- someone who identifies as demisexual (which isn't even something anyone would discriminate against nor be aware of) or someone with ASD?
It is a minority identity. It's classified as a disability. Depending where you live there should be accommodations, support systems, and workplace legislation to protect you from discrimination.
I agree we don't hear "disabilities" rattled off in the common list of minority groups, but of course it's one. It might be considered an invisible disability which makes awareness even harder to achieve.
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I agree we don't hear "disabilities" rattled off in the common list of minority groups, but of course it's one. It might be considered an invisible disability which makes awareness even harder to achieve.
It's a disability but not in the same way the others fall into the category of minority oppressed groups. No one's actively seeking ASD sufferers to round out a diversity quota (not that I agree with diversity quotas at all but let's be fair and consistent about it then) , they're just seen as "disabled", but most don't want to accommodate them like they would any other kind of disability that would actually prevent them from doing a job properly (walking disabled, blind, deaf, dyslexic etc.). Personally, I don't actually have a single autism-related disability outside of social awkwardness but that's enough for me not to be able to get a job, as well as many others. That wouldn't fall under disability, as it's more of a neurological disorder that makes me visibly different, but it certainly qualifies as an identity that people discriminate against.
We often get a rough deal, but Conservatives don't so much label us as sinful perverts or try to get us to renounce our ASD. There's more of an acceptance that we're not this way by choice.
I don't know whether we're better or worse off than LGB..... people. I don't know how that could be reliably measured.
Personally, I don't want the benefits of positive discrimination, especially if it's conspicuous. I'm too wary of a possible backlash. When job offers are made that aren't based 100% on the applicants' merit in terms of ability to do the job well, I think that invites contempt from the unselected who also struggle to find suitable work. I can see where they're coming from. We live in a society that often leaves the vulnerable to the wolves, so the ones who are displaced by a particular favoured chosen vulnerable group are likely to wonder, "Why is the system nice to them but not to us?" The powers that be will, in a top-down way, redistribute jobs towards certain groups, but they won't fix the core problem, that there aren't enough decent jobs to go round.
Well naturally. What you are describing is purely performative, not true equity and justice. If someone only wants diversity in their workplace so that they can appear to be just and equitable, why would they recruit someone with an invisible disability?
This is part of the difficulty of having an invisible disability.
Autism is a protected group as it falls under the disability group along with schizophrenia or dementia.
Getting diagnosed opens the door to being classified as disabled which unlocks entry to special schools, welfare benefits, free disabled parking (uk) and a few other things including the acknowledgment by society that you may need help with things.
All these other groups like LGBT can lead independent lives their only barrier is discrimination caused by racism or religious views, take that away and they have no more barriers.
It’s not like that for many autistic people take away any potential discrimination and your still left with barriers preventing people working or living independently caused by the autism.
Also an autistic identity would create some strange unacceptable contradictions, on the one hand your claiming a disability is an identity on the other gov and scientific community are actively trying to prevent and reduce it for good reason because it’s a problem to many who have it.
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Yeah, let's not do that, it's already bad enough with the other "identities" that people can claim without any sort of conclusive proof and people claiming to have neurological issues for oppression points.
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Autism is a medical condition.
It is something you have, separated from who you are as a person.
Whether it's the quirks or the adverse effects in life.
Autistic is an identification.
It is a part of who you are as a person.
It colors one's perception, inclination and character.
I know which is which in mine.
My low verbal IQ and high performance IQ is autism. It is something I either work around or take advantage.
The IQ profile from autism is not who I'm, but what I can and cannot do well.
However, my fascination in crafting is something I would do all over again in several lifetimes.
It reflects a part of me who also likes to share and connect. It also distracts me from work because it's what I'd prioritize.
From where I came from, obtaining any formal label means you're lucky or rich enough to even get acknowledged.
Unless I move to the capital or somewhere abroad, it won't matter much of a disability status or an identity.
Identity politics do not exists here like how it is abroad. It's not some polarized crap like person first vs identity first.
Anyone can prattle about how they're suffering and deserved better, or something equally foolish like working too hard to please or piss everyone around them.
From the way I see it, all of it is just human entitlement.
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Also likely that autism (and related disorders) can affect people of all other minority identities, as well.
If you are looking for something upon which to ground an anti-discrimination case, then "disability" should suffice.
I think it's mostly because there are too many different kinds of autistic people. I can understand that some of those who can lead an independent life (can work, can handle household chores etc. every day life) might want rid of the stigma of autism being a disability, but the thing is, some autistic people don't even have the independence skills of a preteen as adults, so not calling them disabled would be very misleading. Another reason is that minority groups tend to get noticed etc. because the said minorities themselves work hard to be heard, and that might be hard for autistic people in comparison to other minorities since it includes stuff like networking and talking to people, which tend to be hard for those on the autism spectrum.
But you know, homosexuality was officially considered an illness until 1970s (?), which wasn't all that long ago, yet now it no longer is, so who knows, maybe same will happen to the autism spectrum at some point, too.
But you know, homosexuality was officially considered an illness until 1970s (?), which wasn't all that long ago, yet now it no longer is, so who knows, maybe same will happen to the autism spectrum at some point, too.
Will never happen as its obviously clear many autistic people are impaired in some way beyond simply discrimination, their autism preventing them from working or living independently, some need 24/7 support.
Would also mean the end of help as why would help be required for something that wasn’t classed a disability?
In reality for many autistic adults without parental help or disability status unlocking government welfare support, access to carers or residential home fall back help, would literally be the end of many autistic people as many would simply die, commit suicide or just roam the streets living off discarded food. They probably wouldn’t last long either exposed to the elements and human predators.
Unfortunately, that simple fact doesn’t stop delusional autistic people and an extreme minority of NTs ( who should know better) flirting with such an idea, many make a lot of money selling this nonsense to vulnerable people.
For some autistic people who run these type of "autistic identity" blogs out of boredom these kinds of ideas are just a convenient outlet of relieving frustrations self denial and of avoiding facing reality.
Unfortunatly there`s always some willing to drink the this autistic Kool-Aid
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I've noticed that many companies go out of their way to hire minorities of all walks of life, including giving them preference over cis white males (one online writing job I saw recently basically admitted they were actively searching for "non-white" minorities and LGBTQI members to make themselves look more diverse), in which case, why isn't the same done for ASD people? ASD sufferers arguably face more prejudice and discrimination than any other minority group these days (for example, no person with a visible form of autism is going to be hired if there's even one other non-autistic applicant, no matter what community they belong to or identity they have, which explains why there's vocational programs specifically for autistic people but no other identity).
Most places have anti-discrimination laws which prevent deliberately recruiting minorities, but it's fine to put a little bit of spiel saying "we are an inclusive employer and welcome applications from x".
In my experience, most of the time those sports of things do include disability - in fact it's probably what they're most likely to include, by mentioning "reasonable adjustments" being available for the recruitment process.
FWIW I know a lot of openly autistic people who have got competitive jobs. At my job interview I wasn't even the only successful autistic applicant...
Hey, I hear ya, me too. But then, I also find most of the other made up labels being actual identities to be insulting too, especially when they're used as victim status to garner sympathy from people.
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Oh I totally agree, but in that case, let's just do away with all of them shall we?
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