A white man must never refer to a black man as "boy".

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05 Apr 2022, 11:20 am

A white man must never refer to a black man as a boy or address them as "boy". To do so is a serious crime. Or this is what I have heard.

What if a black man does the same to a white man? Is it nearly as offensive? Apparently not. Well, maybe if they say "white boy", but otherwise no.



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05 Apr 2022, 11:24 am

Ignoring the racial aspect, calling an adult man boy is speaking to him the way one speaks to the help. It's inherently reducing him to a lower status.

Combined with the racial angle and the Anglosphere's long history of anti-black racism and it's easy to see why it's highly offensive within that context.

Son is another word that can be used in the same way.


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05 Apr 2022, 12:11 pm

It is one of the words associated with apartheid South Africa to reinforce the idea that blacks were inferior.

The only context it could be inoffensively used by adults might be in consensual role play e.g. when a guy willingly lets a Dom, male or female, call him that as part of the scenario.


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05 Apr 2022, 12:21 pm

Son is used here affectionately.
Boy should not be used, it’s rude.
At a bbq a drunk woman told my teenage son to get her a beer out of the cooler by yelling out, “Hey boy, get me a beer.”He ignored her, she had to get her own.If she had asked,“ Son, please get me a beer.” He would have .


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05 Apr 2022, 12:26 pm

^"Son" or even "Lad" are better. Lad has a whimsical, even affectionate sound to it.


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05 Apr 2022, 12:28 pm

Oh for goodness sake the world has become absolutely ridiculous.

When people call me "girl" do I give a s**t? No, because I have bigger problems to worry about.


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05 Apr 2022, 12:30 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Oh for goodness sake the world has become absolutely ridiculous.

When people call me "girl" do I give a s**t? No, because I have bigger problems to worry about.


It's almost like the context is different and 'girl' isn't being used to demean you in the same way.

apples ≠ oranges


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05 Apr 2022, 1:49 pm

Referring to a grown man as "boy" can be insulting or not depending on the context. "Boy" is commonly used in an affectionate way in many love songs much like the word "girl".



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05 Apr 2022, 1:53 pm

Wasn't it common back in the day in the U.S. for white people to refer to black men as "boys" to demean them, and deny their intelligence and maturity as adults? That was a very common experience that I saw in like, every single book or article I had to read about racism and segregation in school...



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05 Apr 2022, 1:56 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Oh for goodness sake the world has become absolutely ridiculous.

When people call me "girl" do I give a s**t? No, because I have bigger problems to worry about.

I genuinely don't mean this rude, but do you have anything else constructive to say on posts about things like this? Just always saying the world is "ridiculous" or "too politically correct" or "sensitive" now isn't really constructive at all.



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05 Apr 2022, 1:58 pm

The whole world is just going insane with its political correctness. I'm still having trouble not saying "lame" when I think something is stupid because it's offensive to people who are physically lame.

Next we won't be allowed to use the following words in everyday conversation because they're sooo offensive: :roll:

"See" because it's offensive to blind people. Never say "I see" to mean that you understand something.
"Hear" because it's offensive to deaf people. Never say "I hear you" to mean you agree with someone.
"Walk" because it's offensive to people who can't walk. Never say "Walk a mile in one's shoes". It's also offensive to people who don't have shoes.
"Talk" because it's offensive to people who can't speak. Never say "Speak your mind"
"Eat" because it's offensive to people with eating disorders
"Breathe" because it's offensive to people with breathing disorders
"Heart" because it's offensive to people with heart disease. Never say "have a heart" or "big-hearted"
"Bee" because it's offensive to people allergic to bee stings.

But one thing I know for certain is that the word "right", positive phrases using the word right, and negative phrases using the world left will never be banned from the English language even though it's offensive to left handed people. So people will still forever continue saying "knowing right from wrong", or "two left feet" :roll:



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05 Apr 2022, 2:03 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Oh for goodness sake the world has become absolutely ridiculous.

When people call me "girl" do I give a s**t? No, because I have bigger problems to worry about.


It's almost like the context is different and 'girl' isn't being used to demean you in the same way.

apples ≠ oranges

I always find it funny when people who are not from the U.S. comment on issues they don't even understand and have a knee-jerk reaction about it. lol



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05 Apr 2022, 2:05 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Oh for goodness sake the world has become absolutely ridiculous.
When people call me "girl" do I give a s**t? No, because I have bigger problems to worry about.


Actually, the white people calling non-white adults "boy" issue is not at all a ridiculous thing to make an issue of; in the US south where I grew up in the 1970s it very much had and still has its roots in bigotry and racism.

And while the reference via the state government of North Carolina mentions the 1950s it was very much still happening in the 1970s and 1980s in the US south.

This from a PDF officially posted by the state government of North Carolina explains the matter,
https://files.nc.gov/dncr-moh/jim%20cro ... quette.pdf

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Racial Etiquette: The Racial Customs and Rules of Racial Behaviour
in Jim Crow America

By Ronald L. F. Davis, Historian
California State University, Northridge

Most southern white Americans who grew up prior to 1954 expected black Americans to conduct
themselves according to well-understood rituals of behaviour. This racial etiquette governed the
actions, manners, attitudes, and words of all black people when in the presence of whites. To violate
this racial etiquette placed one's very life, and the lives of one's family, at risk.

Blacks were expected to refer to white males in positions of authority as "Boss" or "Cap'n"--a title of
respect that replaced "Master" or "Marster" used in slave times. Sometimes, the white children of one's
white employer or a prominent white person might be called "Massa," to show special respect. If a
white person was well known, a black servant or hired hand or tenant might speak in somewhat
intimate terms, addressing the white person as "Mr. John" or "Miss Mary."

All black men, on the other hand, were called by their first names or were referred to as "Boy," "Uncle,"
and "Old Man"--regardless of their age. If the white person did not personally know a black person, the
term "n****r" or "n****r-fellow," might be used. In legal cases and the press, blacks were often
referred to by the word "Negro" with a first name attached, such as "Negro Sam." At other times, the
term "Jack," or some common name, was universally used in addressing black men not known to the
white speaker. On the Pullman Sleeping cars on trains, for example, all the black porters answered to
the name of "boy" or simply "George" (after the first name of George Pullman, who owned and built the
Pullman Sleeping Cars).

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Black women were addressed as "Auntie" or "girl." Under no circumstances would the title "Miss." or
"Mrs." be applied. A holdover from slavery days was the term "Wench," a term that showed up in legal
writings and depositions in the Jim Crow era. Some educated whites referred to black women by the
words "collared ladies." Sometimes, just the word "lady" was used. White women allowed black
servants and acquaintances to call them by their first names but with the word "Miss" attached as a
modifier: "Miss Ann," "Miss Julie" or "Miss Scarlett," for example.

This practice of addressing blacks by words that denoted disrespect or inferiority reduced the black
person to a non-person, especially in newspaper accounts. In reporting incidents involving blacks, the
press usually adopted the gender-neutral term "Negro," thus designating blacks as lifeless and
unknown persons. For example, an accident report might read like this: "Rescuers discovered that two
women, three men, four children, and five Negroes were killed by the explosion."

In general, blacks and whites could meet and talk on the street. Almost always, however, the rules of
racial etiquette required blacks to be agreeable and non-challenging, even when the white person was
mistaken about something. Usually it was expected that blacks would step off the sidewalk when
meeting whites or else walk on the outer street side of the walk thereby "giving whites the wall." Under
no circumstances could a black person assume an air of equality with whites. Black men were
expected to remove their caps and hats when talking with a white person.


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05 Apr 2022, 2:09 pm

These horrible <insert some word>-ists want us to be aware of how not to offend people. Horrible! /s

Really. If you have some minority friends, just respectfully listen to how they feel about various ways of speaking and behaving.
It's about respect.


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05 Apr 2022, 2:22 pm

I automatically treat a black person as I would a white person because we're all equally PEOPLE. That also means I don't change my vocabulary depending on the colour skin of a person. Because in my eyes they are just another person.

Sometimes political correctness can become overused, like it does on this site.

A driver not letting a person on the bus because of the colour of their skin is racist and disgusting, in my opinion. A driver not letting a person on the bus because they're being a threat to other passengers on the bus, regardless of their colour skin, is not racist, but if the trouble-maker happens to be black (not saying black people are more likely to be trouble-makers) then the whole world names and shames the driver for being racist.

Everyone should be treated equally. Nobody should be more privileged just because of the colour of their skin. That's the way I see it.

EDIT: And no, I don't agree with how black people were treated in the past. But they were being treated differently because of the colour of their skin. I'm talking about treating everyone the same.


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05 Apr 2022, 2:29 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I automatically treat a black person as I would a white person because we're all equally PEOPLE.
Me too.
And I do believe that when one shows others genuine respect, possible "wrong" words randomly used can be respectfully clarified.

I wouldn't call any grown up man "boy" unless we were already mega close friends.


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