Transgender buyer's remorse, aka "detransitioning"

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12 Dec 2022, 8:34 am

When I was in junior high in 1969 I remember yakking with some classmates about "the Christine Jorgensen Story". A book (later movie) about a person who actually went under the knife to change their sex. And we all thought of Jorgensen as the one person on the planet to do that. Or maybe that only like a dozen folks per billion on the planet ever did that.

And then... I almost never thought about transgender folks again for the next fifty years until the later seasons of "Keeping up with the Kardashians".

But today? I recently read that number of transgender folks in US military is....9800! Out of the two or three million people in the US armed forces you could fill two thirds of a whole U.S. army division (standard size fifteen thousand) with the transgender folks just in the US military.

Wow!



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12 Dec 2022, 8:45 am

Yes, that does happen.

I don't believe one should "transition" before their 18th birthday. I've known teenagers who "change their [gender] identity" all the time. Many who experiment with gay sex, or with being of the opposite gender, change their minds once they become adults. There is certainly potential for this.

But if a person is 21, and still wants to be of the opposite gender, then I believe there is a permanence to their choice, and that it's unlikely they will experience "buyers remorse."



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12 Dec 2022, 8:54 am

Yes. Radically redoing the plumbing of your body is not like getting a haircut. There ought to be laws against having it done below some age cutoff...like 21. And even then the person still sometimes gets 'buyer's remorse'.



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12 Dec 2022, 5:10 pm

After years of reading about LGBT issues, here is my official statement on this story:

"I have no comment at this time."



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12 Dec 2022, 5:24 pm

I think the Hippocratic Oath should forbid medical professionals from harming otherwise healthy bodies with unnecessary procedures.

It sounds like they fundamentally approached the issue from the wrong end, treating a healthy body instead of the troubled mind.



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12 Dec 2022, 6:03 pm

Unfortunately, this item appeared in a conservative publication.

Yes, "buyers remorse" can happen. And it can be devastating. But, if someone is of age, and wants to transition, who am I to stop the person? And I'm not going to scorn a trans person----unless the trans person scorns me.



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12 Dec 2022, 6:10 pm

I guess this means people should never make *any* major life-changing decisions because they could end up regretting them, like marriage, having kids, moving, a new job, and so on and so on. :roll:



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13 Dec 2022, 11:46 am

Estimates of the rates of people who regret transitioning vary, see:

https://www.google.com/search?q=rate+of ... e&ie=UTF-8

But in general they are quite low and the vast majority of people who transition are happier for it and thus shouldn't be penalized in any way, shape, or form via limiting access to transgender healthcare. IMO


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13 Dec 2022, 6:46 pm

One would hope that there would be adequate medical evaluation …. Primarily mental health oriented stuff.
And some sort of age requirements . ! 8O , If in fact that is a real decision a human makes .And all the stuff that involves that undertaking ? But then you
Run into the chromosome stuff .. XX, YY and variations of those letters . And the rest of the Alphabet .
LGB , LGBTQ … and intersex , Whatever letter fits for that group. ? Pardon my input but a lot of this stuff get beyond me quickly in real conversation . Wait , I think there is more Letters LGBTQIA . ,Gonna need a dictionary before all
This settles out , I think ? :roll: …. Wait.. wait just thought best descriptive word ever ( Human) :nerdy:


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13 Dec 2022, 6:54 pm

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Yes. Radically redoing the plumbing of your body is not like getting a haircut. There ought to be laws against having it done below some age cutoff...like 21. And even then the person still sometimes gets 'buyer's remorse'.



I get that, and I understand the serious nature of the surgery along with risks involved.
The problem is that it's much, much harder to modify a body or a hormonal system post-puberty.
When the surgery is done that late, people often look ... like it was botched (It looks wrong or ineffective.)
It's also torture for some people to wait 21 years in emotional agony.

My cousin's child transitioned medically during the height of Covid.
It was a years-long process of being scrutinised by psychologists and doctors.
They were in their 30's and said they had known since pre-Kindergarten.

I see both sides of the argument whether water is wet or not. (Jokes.)


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13 Dec 2022, 7:06 pm

Da_Zero_A_Dieci wrote:
For others it can lead to other hardships such as job loss or social exclusion

You mean like this?

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Can't think of a reason why a person like this would have problems with employment or social exclusion... :roll:

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13 Dec 2022, 7:13 pm

I don't want to make light of the topic but yes, that's what I mean.
How would you like that?

What if autistic people were required to have major body-altering surgery and take hormonal pills to be viewed as neurotypical? I have a lot of empathy for anyone who feels they're on the wrong planet (or in the wrong body.)


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13 Dec 2022, 7:18 pm

The news section isn't for this sort of debate but without a doubt it is a mental health issue when a person has difficulty accepting the outcome of a simple coin flip.



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13 Dec 2022, 7:54 pm

I had a complete hysterectomy at age 24, not related to gender. Nothing could have prepared me for what having pharmaceutical hormones vs. real hormones was going to feel like, for the first couple years I felt like I was losing my mind. I can't imagine it would be easy to be castrated either.

I don't have any words of wisdom, all I can say is that it's not just about the cosmetic aspect.


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13 Dec 2022, 7:57 pm

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I had a complete hysterectomy at age 24, not related to gender. Nothing could have prepared me for what having pharmaceutical hormones vs. real hormones was going to feel like, for the first couple years I felt like I was losing my mind. I can't imagine it would be easy to be castrated either.

I don't have any words of wisdom, all I can say is that it's not just about the cosmetic aspect.


I had one in my 30's.
The hormonal aspect is unbelievably complicated.
I gave up on HRT within the first few months.


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