Can a traumatized octopus have a nightmare?

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kitesandtrainsandcats
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25 May 2023, 9:55 pm

And now the question is, can a traumatized octopus have a nightmare?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 00646.html

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Octopus lashes out when he wakes up, perhaps from a nightmare. See the ‘intense’ video

By Madeleine List
May 25, 2023 8:21 PM

A video captured by researchers at a lab in New York City shows an octopus named Costello acting “strange” right after he wakes up.

Researcher Eric Angel Ramos told McClatchy News he thinks Costello may have just woken up from a bad dream.

Ramos, who was speaking to McClatchy News from Panama but had been researching octopuses at the Rockefeller University in New York City, said one day he walked into the lab and saw Costello attacking a PVC pipe in his tank.

“Costello was doing something really weird. He was grabbing this PVC pipe, and he looked like he was in pain or attacking something,” he said. “It really made me question what was happening, so I went and looked at the video.”

The researchers had security cameras in the lab recording 24 hours a day, Ramos said, so he rewound the tape to a few minutes before he walked in.

The video showed Costello, who was named after one of the “heptapods,” or octopus-like alien creatures in the movie Arrival, wake up from slumber and start acting in a defensive way, even though there were no predators around, Ramos said.

“We were able to see that he had this several-minute long episode where he basically did a bunch of things that octopuses do when they’re fighting for their lives,” he said. “It was a really intense interaction.”

Ramos said the video is evidence that Costello may have just woken up from a nightmare.

Costello had been a wild octopus before he was brought to the lab, and he had missing limbs, likely because of a predator attack. Trauma from that attack may have haunted him in his dreams, Ramos said.

“I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to think that he was traumatized by really traumatic events and played out some of these things in his sleep,” he said. “It’s still speculation, but it’s one of the least out-there speculations.”

Ramos said he and his colleagues couldn’t find evidence that this type of behavior had been recorded by other researchers. But that doesn’t mean the behavior itself is rare. It’s probably because octopuses aren’t often studied, especially not in a lab where they’re recorded by cameras 24/7, he said.

Scientists already know that octopuses are extremely intelligent animals, he said. Even though they only live about a year-and-a-half, they have an advanced ability to learn new skills and problem-solve, he said.

Ramos said he hopes that this will lead to more studies about animals and how they sleep. But for those who aren’t scientists, it can show us that, as humans, we’re not so different from our counterparts in the animal kingdom.

“I think that this observation should inspire more research into how animals have converged on paths that are similar to us, and that we should probably shake up our thoughts about what being a sentient, smart, conscious, complex animal is,” he said. “What we assume is special in us may not be special because it’s us.”


Aww, poor critter is no longer with us, but they do only live a couple years;

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180982248/

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To look for some explanation, Ramos checked the tapes from cameras pointed at Costello’s tank 24/7.

What he saw in the footage surprised him. At first, Costello was sleeping peacefully. But suddenly—and without apparent provocation—the animal began frantically moving. His skin color changed, he spun around, he extended his mantle and he inked—all behaviors linked with fending off predators.

“It was really bizarre, because it looked like he was in pain; it looked like he might have been suffering, for a moment,” Ramos tells Live Science’s Ethan Freedman. “And then he just got up like nothing had happened, and he resumed his day as normal.”

The team decided to investigate further, and after combing through 3,600 hours of footage, they discovered three similar incidents.


A bit more, I like to use 3 sources,

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/25/scie ... dream.html

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... Still, the idea of dreaming in octopuses is compelling, Dr. Gutnick said. The Rockefeller team isn’t the first to propose the idea that cephalopods dream as they move through different phases of sleep. Because octopus body patterning is controlled by the brain, researchers have wondered if patterns during sleep could be responses to dreamlike replay of events.

In their own research, Dr. Kuba and Dr. Gutnick recently recorded electrical signals from an octopus’s brain. That opens the possibility that researchers could snoop on octopuses’ brain activity during sleep and maybe connect behaviors and body patterning during sleep with shifts of brainwaves to study processes linked to dreaming.

But that is not necessarily related to this observation, Dr. Gutnick said, adding, “You have to show that they have dreams before you think about nightmares.”


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26 May 2023, 12:00 am

I'll never forget My Octopus Teacher. :cry:


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