Right-Wingers Might Want to Stop Calling LGBTQ "Groomers"
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The right-wing media's shameful history of defending pedophilia and sexualizing children
A review of the right’s hypocrisy on pedophilia and abuse found that conservative media personalities have repeatedly made comments promoting the sexualization of children, while others have defended figures who have been accused of abuse or pedophilia — and several reported abusers have even worked in right-wing media themselves.
The right-wing fixation with pedophilia dates back decades and has been a central facet in dangerous right-wing conspiracy theories including Pizzagate and QAnon, both of which have led to real-world violence. Baseless pedophilia accusations have been used by the right to discredit and attack the LGBTQ rights movement and any figure or symbol that they disagree with — from Elmo and public libraries to a plethora of businesses and organizations.
The moral panic behind these accusations puts the real lives of LGBTQ people at risk. These groundless allegations have led to neo-Nazi encroachment at Pride events and calls for violence against pro-LGBTQ people and organizations, including children’s hospitals.
As we enter Pride Month — a time of the year that has invigorated right-wing extremists in their attacks against LGBTQ people — allies, political leaders, and businesses must not succumb to bad-faith actors making groundless accusations against these underrepresented communities.
Here is a non-comprehensive breakdown of right-wing media figures and organizations who have either made comments that promote or mock the sexualization of minors, or supported or defended figures who have been accused of abuse or pedophilia:
In unearthed audio, Media Matters found that former Fox News host Tucker Carlson made numerous perverted comments about underage girls on the Bubba the Love Sponge Show between 2006-11. In appearances on the shock jock’s radio program, Carlson minimized and defended statutory rape, said he “would love” the idea of young girls experimenting with their sexuality at boarding school, laughed about violence against women, and described a Miss Teen USA contestant as “appealing” and said she would be “probably a pretty good wife.”
Nazi-sympathizer Milo Yiannopoulos resigned from his position as an editor at Breitbart in 2017 after making comments condoning pedophilia.
Former president and reality TV star Donald Trump reportedly walked into a Miss Teen USA 1997 changing room where girls as young as 15 years old were changing and allegedly said, “Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.” (Trump has been accused of sexually assaulting dozens of women dating back to the 1970s, and a federal jury recently found him liable for sexually assaulting journalist E. Jean Carroll in the 1990s.)
Child pornography was reportedly found in Infowars head Alex Jones’ personal documents that were sent to lawyers during his Sandy Hook defamation case in 2019.
Right-wing outlet The Daily Caller has repeatedly mocked survivors of childhood sexual abuse, including a whole category of tags on its website for stories of teachers having sexual contact with their underage students.
White nationalist streamer Nick Fuentes has promoted teen pregnancies. Fuentes recently said that he wanted a “16-year-old wife, probably when I turn 30,” claimed he was “not against grooming” children as long as they are being “groomed” for marriage, and tweeted “17 years old? What is even the big deal”.
Neo-Nazi blogger Andrew Anglin defended Fuentes’ comments, saying it’s “normal” to want a 16-year-old bride and men should “shoot lower than that. I don’t think you need to wait until the girl is 16.” Anglin said that he supports “forced child marriage” but denied supporting pedophilia, which he dismissed as a term “that gets thrown around at people who talk about so-called underage girls.”
Right-wing influencer and “Stop the Steal” organizer Ali Alexander reportedly sent sexual text messages to teenage boys.
Right-wing misogynistic influencer Andrew Tate has teamed up to promote an anime-obsessed content creator and misanthrope who promotes the hyper-sexualization of underage girls. Tate and his brother have also bragged about having intercourse with teenagers. Tristan Tate is featured in a video about how to “take a girl’s virginity.” The Tates are currently under investigation in Romania for organized crime, rape, and sex trafficking.
Radio host and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani was caught on camera during the filming of Borat Subsequent Moviefilm attempting to seduce an “underage” girl. Additionally, Giuliani defended a priest accused of sexual abuse and a former Giuliani employee is reportedly suing him for sexual harassment.
Former radio host and Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) was forced to resign from Congress after it was revealed that he was sending sexual messages to teenage male congressional pages.
Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert (R-IL) pleaded guilty in 2015 to paying off victims to keep quiet about his history of sexual abuse toward high school wrestlers that he coached decades earlier.
In 2009, Fox News hosts Sean Hannity, Greta Van Susteren, and Bill O’Reilly displayed footage of bikini-clad women on spring break while discussing crime in Mexico. Hannity repeated the spring break segments again in 2014, 2017, and 2021.
In now-deleted tweets, right-wing influencer Ian Miles Cheong argued that the age of consent should be lowered.
Daily Wire host and anti-LGBTQ bigot Matt Walsh has attempted to normalize pregnancy and marriage for teenage girls and defended former Catholic Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, who was forced to resign after decades of reported sexual abuse. Walsh has also defended other abusers in the Catholic Church and minimized former reality TV star Josh Duggar’s multiple reports of child molestation (Duggar was later convicted and sentenced to over 12 years for downloading child pornography).
Right-wing host and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee repeatedly defended Duggar and argued that he should be forgiven for his crimes.
Right-wing pundit Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point USA has employed or partnered with multiple sex offenders and drawn criticism from other conservatives for failing to handle allegations of sexual assault against underage students at its events. Kirk has also weaponized the sexual assault of a minor to attack trans people.
Tucker Carlson has defended statutory rape and described reporting it as “whiny,” claimed that underage boys being sexually harassed by a female teacher is “the greatest thing that ever happened,” suggested that it is “the dream of 15-year-old boys” to be sexually harassed by female teachers, and has shamed rape survivors and pushed general misogyny.
Fox News host Greg Gutfeld recently applauded a 38-year-old high school teacher who was charged with engaging in sexual intercourse with a 16-year-old student. Gutfeld exclaimed: “16 years old — I would have died for that!”
Former Trump White House chief strategist and podcaster Steve Bannon spearheaded former Alabama state Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore’s 2017 special election campaign for Senate, even after reports that Moore groped, forcibly kissed, and made nonconsensual advances toward various women. Moore was also accused of twice sexually assaulting a then-14-year-old girl by taking her to his home in the woods and forcibly touching her. Moore was 32-years-old at the time of the incident.
Multiple right-wing media figures and outlets defended Moore’s Senate run, downplayed the report that he molested a child, and attacked his accusers. Then-Infowars host David Knight even pushed for Moore to run for Senate again in 2020.
Several right-wing figures defended Hastert prior to being “sentenced for his part in an elaborate hush money scheme to cover up his years long molestation of teenage boys.”
In 2014, Fox News host Jesse Watters suggested that statutory rape of a 16-year-old boy by an older woman is not as bad if the rapist is attractive.
Frequent Fox News guest Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) was reportedly aware of sexual assaults occurring at Ohio State University while he was a wrestling coach in the 1990s and “chose to turn a blind eye.” Then-House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI), now a Fox Corp. board member, defended Jordan and dismissed the need for the House Ethics Committee to investigate members for “things that happened a couple of decades ago when they weren’t in Congress.”
Breitbart Editor-in-Chief Alex Marlow attempted to turn Yiannopoulos into a martyr following his comments defending the sexual assault of minors.
More examples of members of the far right falling into these categories appear to pop up all the time.
The right-wing media’s hypocrisy on the topic is overwhelming, but it will likely not stop them from continuing to make baseless accusations about the LGBTQ community and putting real lives in danger.
It really seems like every accusation is a confession.
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Here is the Media Matters article referred to in the video.
Anyhow, minor nit with the video itself: it makes repeated references to "Christians and Catholics" -- as if Catholics are not, themselves, Christian. Perhaps he meant, "Evangelicals and Catholics"?
But I certainly agree with the video's main point.
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About the recent right wing attacks on basically all uncloseted LGBTQ+ folks -- or anyone who says anything even remotely favorable about LGBTQ+ in a public setting -- as alleged "groomers":
- The right’s moral panic over “grooming” invokes age-old homophobia: “Groomer” accusations against liberals and the LGBTQ community are recycled Satanic Panic. By Aja Romano, Vox, Apr 21, 2022.
Excerpt from the middle of this article:
Claiming the superintendent was “supporting leftist grooming in her schools” by implicitly protecting the welfare of a potentially trans student, one Patriot.win user wrote that she “needs to be executed by our judicial system.” Other users made violent references to hangings and gallows in response to various debates over trans identity. There’s concern that these online threats could lead to real-world physical violence; as Vice noted, many of the platforms pushing this current narrative are home to extremist communities, including some that were involved in planning the January 6, 2021, insurrection.
Framing homosexuality as a wicked specter and queer people as pedophiles is one of the oldest narratives in the homophobic playbook; proponents of the “Don’t Say Gay” bill and other recent anti-gay and anti-trans legal actions across the US have been all too happy to recycle it. Only now, due to the paranoiac tendency of the modern right wing, it’s also being expanded and applied to LGBTQ allies, to educators whose work gets caught in the cultural crossfire, and to liberals writ large.
Put simply, the right’s “grooming” accusations allow it to attach evil to anything it sees as a threat to its values.
What is “grooming?”
Grooming is the process by which adults make children or young people vulnerable to sexual assault through compliments, isolating tactics, and other actions that shift the child’s circle of trust and increase the adult’s power over them. Some on the right do seem to be using the dictionary definition of the term, borrowing ideas and language from decades of moral panic equating homosexuality to pedophilia. But “grooming” seems to be functioning more broadly right now as a catchall label for other flavors of right-wing alarmism.
First, there is “grooming” turned up to 11, invoking the term in its most conspiratorial sense: grooming children to be victims of a high-level global sex cult — a conspiracy theory that converges with various other right-wing homophobic and anti-Semitic conspiracies. This involves belief, or performed belief, in an elaborate system of grooming, kidnapping, pedophilia, sexual abuse, and sex trafficking carried out by elites in government.
This conspiracy theory is what led to Pizzagate and the subsequent real-world attack on a Washington, DC, pizza parlor in 2016; Pizzagate then evolved into QAnon. QAnon’s main tenet involves the claim that powerful Democratic politicians and Hollywood celebrities are kidnapping children, both for sex trafficking and to harvest their glands to make youth serums. The “harvesting the blood of virgins for immortality” trope comes to us straight from medieval hysteria over witches and alleged female serial killers. QAnon has straightforwardly reproduced this trope, and come shockingly close to mainstreaming it.
Increasingly, though — and perhaps most worryingly — conservatives also seem to be using “grooming” to mean left-wing indoctrination generally. This idea suggests that educating children on certain political issues like the struggle for gay and trans equality (or as many right-wingers frame it, “gender ideology”) is just as dangerous, or even exactly the same, as “grooming” them to be pedophile victims or victims of an international sex cult.
None of these fears make rational sense. A teacher educating students on queer or genderqueer identity does not make that teacher likely to be a pedophile about to prey on children. There also remains zero evidence of a powerful pedophilic sex cult run by Democratic politicians, let alone local schoolteachers. That’s not to say that organized child abuse and systems of trafficking don’t exist, but trying to make a causative link between liberalism and pedophilia requires intentional reality distortion by the lawmakers and media voices making these claims.
The thing is, grooming accusations aren’t concerned with making sense; they’re about stirring up fear, anger, and hysteria — which is why they sound exactly like the kinds of fringe conspiracy theories that have been around for centuries. The new pedophile conspiracy rhetoric is essentially the same as all the old pedophile conspiracy rhetoric, but with an added layer of wrongness.
This is followed by a review of the history of the Satanic panic.
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Last edited by Mona Pereth on 12 Jul 2023, 5:38 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Who Are The Real "Groomers"? - SOME MORE NEWS - explains what real "grooming" is (in the context of actual child sex abuse) and how that differs vastly from a lot of the things that are called "grooming" by many right wingers today.
See also: LGBT grooming conspiracy theory - Wikipedia.
See also: Why the moral panic over "grooming" is so effective at manipulating the right-wing mind: Experts explain the history of the right creating false narratives that connect LGBTQ issues to pedophilia, by Matthew Rozsa, Salon, January 30, 2023.
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I miss the days when conservatism was a respectable ideology, that truly supported civil liberties, and smart economic policies.
Now it's "everybody else is a pedophile" and "everything we don't like is socialism".
They attribute every bad thing that happens to "taking Gawd(TM) out of the schools", feminism, atheism, and gays. Remember when Jerry Falwell Sr. blamed 9/11 on those things?
*Gawd(TM) = 1950s societal norms. No official connection to the Abrahamic God.
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It's high time the US criminalizes hate speech. Germany and Sweden have strict anti-hate speech laws, and bullying and cyberbullying of LGBT people is virtually non-existent in those countries. Suicide in the LGBT communities in those countries is also non-existent. The fact that both countries are far less religious than we are also helps.
Verses in religious texts (especially the Bible and the Quran) that condemn homosexuality or declare it to be sinful should be criminalized.
Misgendering and deadnaming should be criminalized.
As bad as pedophiles are, bigots are way worse.
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Grooming is the process by which adults make children or young people vulnerable to sexual assault through compliments, isolating tactics, and other actions that shift the child’s circle of trust and increase the adult’s power over them. Some on the right do seem to be using the dictionary definition of the term, borrowing ideas and language from decades of moral panic equating homosexuality to pedophilia. But “grooming” seems to be functioning more broadly right now as a catchall label for other flavors of right-wing alarmism.
I didn't really want to post and detract from the discussion but the above definition of 'Grooming' completely ignores adults who can and do get groomed. I thought it prudent to point this out due to recent events here on WP and the fact that 'What is Grooming' is bolded. The Metropolitan Police define grooming as
The abuse is usually sexual or financial, but it can also include other illegal acts.
https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice ... /grooming/
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Ain't gonna happen here. First Amendment. We can have hate crime laws, in which activities that are already illegal (e.g. murder, assault, vandalism) are further criminalized if they are shown to be motivated by hate against some category of people. But hate speech, in and of itself, cannot be criminalized here in the U.S.A.
That too would violate the First Amendment.
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Let's discuss this in more detail in my new thread here.
EDIT: Since Cornflake has decided to lock my new thread, but I would consider a discussion of adult grooming to be a VERY MUCH a derailment of this current thread, I guess I'm going to have to respond in the relevant thread in the Adult forum -- to which I don't currently have access, because my profile doesn't currently include my birthdate. (Can anyone briefly refresh my memory as to the correct format for birthdates, contrary to the instructions on the profile form?)
Note: The topic of this current thread is clearly bogus accusations of "grooming" (of children) as a tactic for stirring up hatred of LGBTQ+ people. A detailed discussion of what (genuine) "adult grooming" is, and the subtleties of how one recognizes it, would be a gigantic distraction from that topic.
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Last edited by Mona Pereth on 13 Jul 2023, 4:50 pm, edited 5 times in total.
You don’t need to talk about it then. It’s already been discussed in-depth recently in other threads and in the sticky.
I provided links in your locked thread.
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The "Being Groomed" thread was locked on request because the topic has been talked out.
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