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29 Aug 2023, 12:08 am



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29 Aug 2023, 2:24 am

There is one glaring flaw in the case for reincarnation: the absence of any valid empirical evidence of a physical process by which a personality could survive death and transfer to another body.

Anecdotes are not evidence.  Belief is not evidence.  Coerced testimony is not evidence.  YouTube videos are not evidence.

And why is it that whenever a person claims to remember a past life, it is always a life of a hero, a member of royalty, or a famous person who already has dozens of other living people claiming to be his or her reincarnated form?

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29 Aug 2023, 3:04 am

I’ve reincarnation was real I’d be getting off the hook.



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29 Aug 2023, 3:11 am

WilliamK1997 wrote:
I’ve reincarnation was real I’d be getting off the hook.


Is THIS what you are trying to say:

"If reincarnation were real then I would be getting off of the hook".

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If so then what "hook" are you getting off of?

In Christianity you would be punished for your sins by going to heck. In reincarnation believing religions like Hinduism you get punished in your next life some way (by coming back as a toad or road killed animal or something). So you're not off of the hook either way. Though in Hinduism you get more time to work out your issues.



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29 Aug 2023, 3:22 am

Fnord wrote:
And why is it that whenever a person claims to remember a past life, it is always a life of a hero, a member of royalty, or a famous person who already has dozens of other living people claiming to be his or her reincarnated form?

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This is a valid point. Almost 99% of cases involve remembering a soldier, war hero, murder victim or royalty. Never a boring old peasant which would be statistically more likely.

It's not unlike christians who experience life after death seeing white jesus beckoning them to heaven full of beautiful white people. Strangely no brown, black or asian christians in heavens above, Maybe the mormons were right after all :lol:



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29 Aug 2023, 4:13 am

One "psychic" tried to convince me that I am the reincarnated form of Empress Myeongseong of Korea, who was murdered in 1895 by Japan's occupying forces for trying to establish political ties with Tsarist Russia.  I didn't buy it.

 Link to Biography 

Literally, I didn't buy it.

She wanted $100 for a full regressive reading going back at lest 5 incarnations, and I turned her down.

Later, I learn she pitched the exact same spiel to at least two other attendees at that "Psychic Faire".

I was there to help my cousin set up her "Make a Dream-Catcher" workshop.  Got a free steak dinner out of it, too!

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29 Aug 2023, 4:33 am

in at least one previous lifetime i drowned. for much of my early life i had a fear of water esp water in my eyes. in at least one previous lifetime i was strangled, i've had neck problems my whole life and when i was young i had trouble swallowing and have long dealt with respiratory ailments/asthma. in one previous lifetime i was a bounding cad, a user and abuser, and in this lifetime i've been a victim of such psychopaths. i was a downright mean no-good bastard in at least one previous lifetime, and in this life i have long felt bereft of fraternal/companionable love and understanding. i don't expect anybody to believe me, it is enough that i know for myself what i've been through.



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29 Aug 2023, 4:35 am

Lots of people remember being "boring" or regular others.


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29 Aug 2023, 4:49 am

i prolly was not anybody famous in any of my lives. but each one made me what i am now, for better or hopefully not worse.



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29 Aug 2023, 4:59 am

My little white niece spoke of living in Africa, from the time she could talk. Her father had left the village to go find food and never came back. She and her mother were starving. She knew all sorts of chants and words in an African language, and even clapping games from Africa. She had a hard time bonding to her real family because she was so worried about her "other" dad and the dangers that he faced. This went on for a few years to the point her family was video recording it and keeping transcripts.


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29 Aug 2023, 5:15 am

My son knew Native American Sign Language, and was able to conduct orchestral music with perfect gestures and perfect musical terminology, starting when he was 2.

He happens to be related to Tchaikovsky so that could explain some of the musical savantism, even though he didn't have a special affinity for Tchaikovsky himself.


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29 Aug 2023, 5:32 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
My little white niece spoke of living in Africa, from the time she could talk. Her father had left the village to go find food and never came back. She and her mother were starving. She knew all sorts of chants and words in an African language, and even clapping games from Africa. She had a hard time bonding to her real family because she was so worried about her "other" dad and the dangers that he faced. This went on for a few years to the point her family was video recording it and keeping transcripts.

8O

Interesting.



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29 Aug 2023, 5:35 am

Her parents didn't even have a TV, and this was in the late 90s so very limited internet, if any.
She was homeschooled so she didn't learn it from daycare.

She knew her own African name as well as her parents and siblings.
I'm not sure about the village name, but I think so.

It peaked around age 4 and then slowly faded away.
She doesn't remember anything about it now except by watching the videos.


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29 Aug 2023, 6:09 am

Did the words she knew correspond to words in actual African languages?



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29 Aug 2023, 6:11 am

Yes. Her parents found people who could translate it all.


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29 Aug 2023, 6:15 am

Much like my son with the Indigenous Sign Language. We didn't have any clue what that was all about. He said it was sign language but it didn't look like ASL so we thought it was just nonsense until we noticed consistent gestures and he started explaining what each movement meant. Then my mother found someone at her work who was able to verify it was Indigenous. He's still interested in Indigenous affairs and completed a Master's degree for the Truth and Reconciliation commission. It's being published by Oxford press.


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