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01 Sep 2023, 3:24 pm

"A woman was misdiagnosed with borderline personality disorder. 5 years later, she found out she actually has autism."

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After she was diagnosed with BPD, Conklin developed an intense interest in the subject, and bought several books on it. But after reading more about the mental illness, the diagnosis confused her even more.

BPD is characterized by a severe fear of abandonment, mood swings, and patterns of unstable relationships, according to the Mayo Clinic. While Conklin identified with some symptoms like extreme mood swings and instability, she struggled to relate other ones. Many of the books also cited a lack of empathy and frequent lying as characteristics of the disorder, which she did not relate to.


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01 Sep 2023, 3:30 pm

BPD & autism can also be co-morbid.

A person doesn't have to have one or the other, they can have both.



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01 Sep 2023, 4:14 pm

^ This.


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03 Sep 2023, 3:24 am

There is a lot of stigma around BPD, even in the medical profession.

The issue is as well, that if you place a person with Autism amongst a therapy group of BPD, they can unconsiously mimic their behaviours, they can mask to assimilate, which will then confuse the situation further. (Quoted from a discussion with my psych)
Also certain situations increase anxiety in individuals , which exacerbates a misunderstanding of behaviour.

Just a perspective given to me to mull over.



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03 Sep 2023, 10:26 am

ThePerpetualLoner wrote:
There is a lot of stigma around BPD, even in the medical profession.

The issue is as well, that if you place a person with Autism amongst a therapy group of BPD, they can unconsiously mimic their behaviours, they can mask to assimilate, which will then confuse the situation further. (Quoted from a discussion with my psych)
Also certain situations increase anxiety in individuals , which exacerbates a misunderstanding of behaviour.

Just a perspective given to me to mull over.
Let's see if I understand this...
● Masking is something an Autistic might do to be like the people around them.
● If the people around them are BPD then 8O


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03 Sep 2023, 2:37 pm

Let's see if I understand this...
● Masking is something an Autistic might do to be like the people around them.
● If the people around them are BPD then 8O[/quote]

Im not sure if thats exactly what she meant...i cant decipher psych speak very well.

I think it was in relation to my situation, i was placed as a teen/young adult into a placement for a number of years. I had never mixed with people before and the only individuals i was surrounded by had complex needs. So she said it may have been subconsious and i didnt realise i was doing it. But she believed I adopted other behaviours to blend in..as soon as i was removed from the environment i had a miraculous recovery..

Not sure if this could apply to others too perhaps in less extreme way.

I mean to a lesser extent, if your in a room of people and want to fit in and not stand out i would always observe the topics and their interactions before i then attempted it to try and get a positive outcome.



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03 Sep 2023, 2:39 pm

This is obviously one scenario.

It can be comorbid. But everyone is individual and unique, so its just another possibilty. Some comorbid, some misdiagnosed :)



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03 Sep 2023, 2:41 pm

ThePerpetualLoner wrote:
There is a lot of stigma around BPD, even in the medical profession.

The issue is as well, that if you place a person with Autism amongst a therapy group of BPD, they can unconsiously mimic their behaviours, they can mask to assimilate, which will then confuse the situation further. (Quoted from a discussion with my psych)
Also certain situations increase anxiety in individuals , which exacerbates a misunderstanding of behaviour.

Just a perspective given to me to mull over.


BPD has an incredible stigma attached to it in the medical field, and some of it is based on the fact that BPD individuals can be so difficult to manage, for medical professionals.

Suicide attempts, self-harming behaviours, emotional manipulation, incidences of psychopathy or violence based on emotional turbulence and so on.



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03 Sep 2023, 2:48 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
ThePerpetualLoner wrote:
There is a lot of stigma around BPD, even in the medical profession.

The issue is as well, that if you place a person with Autism amongst a therapy group of BPD, they can unconsiously mimic their behaviours, they can mask to assimilate, which will then confuse the situation further. (Quoted from a discussion with my psych)
Also certain situations increase anxiety in individuals , which exacerbates a misunderstanding of behaviour.

Just a perspective given to me to mull over.


BPD has an incredible stigma attached to it in the medical field, and some of it is based on the fact that BPD individuals can be so difficult to manage, for medical professionals.

Suicide attempts, self-harming behaviours, emotional manipulation, incidences of psychopathy or violence based on emotional turbulence and so on.



I agree, which is why misdiagnosis can be extremely damaging..for those misdiagnosed getting away from those prejudgements and assumptions can take years. I think the stigma stops people being seen as individuals, they are all thrown into one bucket, one label with one excuse for everything.



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03 Sep 2023, 3:21 pm

ThePerpetualLoner wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
ThePerpetualLoner wrote:
There is a lot of stigma around BPD, even in the medical profession.

The issue is as well, that if you place a person with Autism amongst a therapy group of BPD, they can unconsiously mimic their behaviours, they can mask to assimilate, which will then confuse the situation further. (Quoted from a discussion with my psych)
Also certain situations increase anxiety in individuals , which exacerbates a misunderstanding of behaviour.

Just a perspective given to me to mull over.


BPD has an incredible stigma attached to it in the medical field, and some of it is based on the fact that BPD individuals can be so difficult to manage, for medical professionals.

Suicide attempts, self-harming behaviours, emotional manipulation, incidences of psychopathy or violence based on emotional turbulence and so on.



I agree, which is why misdiagnosis can be extremely damaging..for those misdiagnosed getting away from those prejudgements and assumptions can take years. I think the stigma stops people being seen as individuals, they are all thrown into one bucket, one label with one excuse for everything.


Yeah, it can be extremely distressing for BPD folk, to be discriminated against in this way.



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03 Sep 2023, 4:03 pm

Love the misdiagnosis monday diagram.

I recall when trying to figure out what the hell was wrong with me I looked at BPD, Schizoid, and various others and thinking , 'nope, not that'.

Unfortunately, most psychologists are thrashing about. People with BPD are the real experts on BPD, and autistics are the real experts on autism. Always look closer at your diagnosis and talk to others, the real experts.



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03 Sep 2023, 4:35 pm

I was once told by this psychiatrist that since I'm nothing like their 15 year old son with Asperger's (I was 25 at the time) that I don't have autism and that while I may have been autistic as a child I no longer am. I have borderline personality disorder now.

All because I told him I was offended he said my autism was a "disease". He also told me I needed to go on Abilify and would have me committed to a psychiatric institution where they would "make you take it". I told him where to stick it and left. I wasn't neither suicidal or homicidal and he could not legally do that so I just get up and leave. He proceeds to have an adult temper tantrum.

One of my friends who I think honestly is autistic but lives in a country that really discriminates against autistic people (according to her) says she has this. She also thinks I do because I call her out when she's invalidating my experiences or gaslighting me. No Honey, I just have boundaries and DO NOT tolerate them being crossed and you don't like to be called out.

I've noticed it seems to be common for adult women who really are autistic to get misdiagnosed with this by so-called "professionals" who don't know what they're doing when they actually have autism.


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03 Sep 2023, 4:53 pm

^ There are both good and bad specialists in the medical profession, and good and bad psychiatrists.

I am sorry you had a bad experience.



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03 Sep 2023, 6:56 pm

ThePerpetualLoner wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
ThePerpetualLoner wrote:
There is a lot of stigma around BPD, even in the medical profession.

The issue is as well, that if you place a person with Autism amongst a therapy group of BPD, they can unconsiously mimic their behaviours, they can mask to assimilate, which will then confuse the situation further. (Quoted from a discussion with my psych)
Also certain situations increase anxiety in individuals , which exacerbates a misunderstanding of behaviour.

Just a perspective given to me to mull over.


BPD has an incredible stigma attached to it in the medical field, and some of it is based on the fact that BPD individuals can be so difficult to manage, for medical professionals.

Suicide attempts, self-harming behaviours, emotional manipulation, incidences of psychopathy or violence based on emotional turbulence and so on.



I agree, which is why misdiagnosis can be extremely damaging..for those misdiagnosed getting away from those prejudgements and assumptions can take years. I think the stigma stops people being seen as individuals, they are all thrown into one bucket, one label with one excuse for everything.

Yes and after a particularly significant missing, you don't get much choice other than continuing to seek it a proper diagnosis.

I've personally been handed most of they potential misdiagnoses other than BPD and PTSD and apparently we're going to go through every single one rather than acknowledge the likely ASD being behind all of it.



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04 Sep 2023, 6:53 am

BPD is just a condition invented by the psychiatric industry it exists only on paper unlike autism.

There are no separate categories rather autism is an umbrella condition of different impairments that span multiple areas.

There are no solid walls separating things


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