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09 Sep 2023, 1:55 am

I'm becoming increasingly politically disillusioned. Tories? - treat the disabled and vulnerable like crap. Labour? worryingly silent about helping the disabled and vulnerable. Lib Dems ?- They willingly went into a coalition with the Tories. Corbynite left?- All too willing to sacrifice the disabled and vulnerable in a quixotic quest for a socialist utopia.

It's about making the least bad choice. That's Labour. I want better than voting for the 'least bad choice'.



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09 Sep 2023, 2:08 am

At least you have more than 2 viable choices.

Here it's the Republicans (aka the GOP)--act as we don't exist.

Democrats--pay us lip service, but no real change.

Other parties (Libertarians, Greens, No Labels, Constitution) are not much more than spoilers, even if they have good ideas.


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10 Sep 2023, 11:05 am

I think a lot of people vote in order to keep the other lot out of power. Sometimes there's a bit of hope about Labour, but I don't think it's that great.



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10 Sep 2023, 12:20 pm

Understand this type of disillusionment. :skull: We have Democrats and Republicans , but as time has passed ..they are seemingly blurring into one party ( the financial Lobbyist party ) ,It is really ! , starting to appear that both sides just want to feather their beds , on the backs of working class, and even poor and disabled people .. . . . . :evil:
Literially without regard to their constituents ( people whom suffer under them) . [people whom they supposable represent] . :|


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10 Sep 2023, 11:55 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
I think a lot of people vote in order to keep the other lot out of power. Sometimes there's a bit of hope about Labour, but I don't think it's that great.


That's how it is here.


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11 Sep 2023, 1:00 am

This is how Capital keeps itself in power, giving the masses the illusion of choice. Better we stop participating in that dying system and create a better one that actually works for the People.


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11 Sep 2023, 9:24 am

idk how tangible this is but very possibly , some movement called the Assembly , might be on the horizon . from my understanding of a less well known group. that has no interest in any type if violence. but trying to adjust things on a administrative level, was told , maybe 2 yrs before well known enough ....Not much hope but something ?


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13 Sep 2023, 4:14 pm

Politics is a divide-and-conquer strategy. It keeps the working masses divided and confused, while the real enemy, (MIC, Federal Government/ Corporations, etc...) gets away with robbing them of their wealth and freedoms. It's sad, really.


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13 Sep 2023, 7:06 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
At least you have more than 2 viable choices.

Here it's the Republicans (aka the GOP)--act as we don't exist.

Democrats--pay us lip service, but no real change.

Other parties (Libertarians, Greens, No Labels, Constitution) are not much more than spoilers, even if they have good ideas.


The Lib Dems are not a viable choice. They have pretty much zero chance to win any election, due to the way the first past the post voting system works.

We have a choice between Labour & the Tories and more often than not over the decades, it is the Tories who are in power.



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14 Sep 2023, 8:45 am

My hope is we get a lib/lab coalition and the LDs make proportional representation a condition.


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14 Sep 2023, 8:46 am

Rossall wrote:
My hope is we get a lib/lab coalition and the LDs make proportional representaion a condition.


That would be an interesting outcome.