Dissociation Without Trauma?
Does anyone here dissociate under specific triggers, without having any known trauma associated with the trigger? If so, what?
Is dissociation a common problem for autistics - almost like another form of a meltdown?
By dissociate I mean the "physically here, mentally elsewhere" response to certain stress. Not DID - another personality doesn't "tag in".
Autistic people tend to live in their heads, so I'd say it's normal.
I'm seldom here.
I'm always mentally elsewhere.
I don't feel tethered to my body or the physical world.
I don't know any other way.
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When I went with my mom to the grocery store, I frequently dissociated, probably due to sensory overload. I remember asking my mom why I didn't feel real when we were at the grocery store. She of course had no idea what I was talking about.
I still do that in crowd situations (a big reason I avoid crowds), but sometimes it just seems random.
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I feel like I'm always me, being static and thinking.
The backdrop changes when I go places but I don't feel like it's real.
It's kind of like on Flintstones or old hand-drawn cartoons.
The characters stand still and the background scrolls past them on repeat.
I'm not dissociated from being me.
I know who I am and where I am, but I'm a million miles away in my head.
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I space out a lot
I call it autopilot. Where I say and do things on instinct rather without the usual high level thinking that goes on in my head.
Some times it's really calm. Like being able to socialise without the anxious thoughts in the background
Some times I don't like it, like at a job interview where one needs to thoroughly think of responses.
Funny thing is, I don't get to choose when I go onto autopilot. I could be at one interview and be on auto, and I could be in another and be fine. That's why I have to think about responses to social situations before I go to them, because I can't guarantee my brain would be "on" when I am there
I call it autopilot. Where I say and do things on instinct rather without the usual high level thinking that goes on in my head
I think spacing out, autopilot, and dissociation are three similar behaviors with different triggers.
"Spacing out" is a term I would use to describe intense daydreaming. My mind wanders far while my body really isn't doing anything - maybe laying in bed or staring out a window.
Autopilot is how I describe doing a routine activity and my mind wanders because it doesn't need to be very involved. This can include driving where I'm conscious of the other cars, but following a route I've driven a hundred times before. The problem with autopiloting is suppose I needed to stop for gas on the way to work. If I slip into autopilot I forget all about that extra stop because it's not part of my normal routine.
In both spacing out and autopilot the mind wandering is not due to stress, but rather it's absence. My brain isn't needed here so it goes elsewhere.
Dissociation is specifically a reaction to stress. My mind should stay, but it's afraid to do so. It's not wandering off; it's running away.
Dissociation without trauma is simply dealing distress without semi-permanent stupid head strain to make it do it again.
There's zoning out. Which is a common daily occurrence in humans.
Then there's dissociation.
Without trauma, it takes a form of addiction or dedication... Or higher levels of stress.
My own levels of dissociation is very much to do with my overall dissatisfaction with life.
It's not my head that's fleeing automatically.
More like, I really don't want anything to do with whatever and I'd rather have some sort of choice to do otherwise.
I choose a lot of daydreaming because I liked it, not because the outside world is terrifying -- far from it.
More like boring, incoherently confusing and disappointing -- the same sort of boredom out of incomprehension over a disinteresting subject.
I crave certain novelties in life, but real life couldn't provide that.
Now it's an addiction -- which it wasn't run by some unresolved crap like trauma, but out of sheer habit and autopilot.
Maybe nostalgia and longing, but who knows how long until that desire and those feelings are over.
The difference is as different as someone having insomnia from someone hating sleep because sleep is troublesome than hyped.. I'm the latter.
And I know how to separate the bits that have to do with trauma from those that do not.
The former is more subtle, and very involuntary. It can use the good things into something twisted.
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Yes, but aren't all autistics stressed 24/7, even subclinically?
Autism is, after all, a disorder of the nervous system.
I'm stressed just wearing clothes, looking at a sunlit sky, or hearing voices on the radio.
That's before you consider all the social stressors of autism.
That's before you consider the built-in stress I've accumulated from my life experiences.
When are we as autistics not stressed?
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Yes, but aren't all autistics stressed 24/7, even subclinically?
Autism is, after all, a disorder of the nervous system.
I'm stressed just wearing clothes, looking at a sunlit sky, or hearing voices on the radio.
That's before you consider all the social stressors of autism.
That's before you consider the built-in stress I've accumulated from my life experiences.
When are we as autistics not stressed?
When they don't have a body to be mindful over, when they don't have a mind to entangle themselves over, when they don't have emotions to have to regulate over...
When being a human is no longer about 'management'.
It was a really blissful state.
It must be how death might feel like.
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Autism is, after all, a disorder of the nervous system.
I'm stressed just wearing clothes, looking at a sunlit sky, or hearing voices on the radio.
That's before you consider all the social stressors of autism.
That's before you consider the built-in stress I've accumulated from my life experiences.
When are we as autistics not stressed?
Stress is a normal part of human life. Stress isn't inherently bad. Playing a video game, sports, jogging, and listening to fast-paced music is stressful; all excitement is a form of stress.
Not all negative stress is equal. Flying is stressful for me in the sense that it's an unpleasant experience (crowds, cramped conditions, waiting in lines). For people with a phobia about flying the experience - even thinking about the experience - is actively terrifying.
If everything causes a person negative stress, especially to a strong degree, I'm confused as to why they would want to remain alive.
And if autism causes one's life to be full of negative stress I really find it hard to understand how that would be a difference rather than a disability.
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What you are describing is the exact reason I sought out an ASD diagnosis in the first place. I believe it's much like a meltdown, except instead of an explosion, it's an implosion.
There is only one time I dissociate, and that is when I am in a state of sensory overload. Usually in restaurants, bars, and grocery stores. I have memories of this happening to me from pretty early in my childhood.
I have no notable trauma (at least, not to rise to the level of PTSD) unless it is so repressed that I cannot pinpoint it.
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Autism is, after all, a disorder of the nervous system.
I'm stressed just wearing clothes, looking at a sunlit sky, or hearing voices on the radio.
That's before you consider all the social stressors of autism.
That's before you consider the built-in stress I've accumulated from my life experiences.
When are we as autistics not stressed?
Stress is a normal part of human life. Stress isn't inherently bad. Playing a video game, sports, jogging, and listening to fast-paced music is stressful; all excitement is a form of stress.
Not all negative stress is equal. Flying is stressful for me in the sense that it's an unpleasant experience (crowds, cramped conditions, waiting in lines). For people with a phobia about flying the experience - even thinking about the experience - is actively terrifying.
If everything causes a person negative stress, especially to a strong degree, I'm confused as to why they would want to remain alive.
And if autism causes one's life to be full of negative stress I really find it hard to understand how that would be a difference rather than a disability.
I guess I can only speak for myself, and based on scientific literature I've read about autism.
I consider myself to experience negative stress 24/7.
That's not to say I'm "stressed out" or in a bad mood all the time.
I've had to work around it and adapt to it in all parts of my life.
I've had negative sensory-stress sensations my entire life.
How and why I remain alive is a good question.
My body doesn't want to be alive.
I doubt it ever did.
That's why I had a clinical nervous breakdown and two strokes.
It's why I'm on disability and can scarcely interact with the outside world.
I do have PTSD and CPTSD, but I'm referring to stress beyond that.
My nervous system is always on hyper-alert, even when I sleep.
Just being alive is quite traumatic in its own right, because of sensory.
I do consider it a disability.
It's called a disorder and I'm on Long Term Disability.
Yes it's a difference, but it's also a disabling one.
I'm not sure how this relates to your question.
I do have that dissociated feeling all the time.
Without leaving my body mentally, I'd go crazy.
I was screened for Depersonalization and Derealization, but I don't have them.
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Why do you hate sleep? Chronic nightmares?
Nope. Nightmares are very, very rare for me. If anything, I'd be looking forward to it because of how boring my waking life is.
I hate bed time because my rhinitis was at it's worst at nighttime. I grew up without knowing that humidity can affect it and I live in the tropics.
But no...
Didn't matter if it's 10 mins or 10 hours. Didn't matter if the way will be stressful or free.
Whenever I wake up, I always wake up worse.
More often than not, I "sleep" -- by "sleep", more like my eyes closed while lying down. For hours.
Sleeping while not constantly sensing my body, while losing sense of time and gravity is 'lucky'.
Inertia that never went away unless I'm awake longer than I've been asleep afterwards.
Moodiness that takes half a day to resolve itself -- that is, if there were no incidents or negative input to interrupt it.
Tiredness that only leaves at nighttime, not after waking up.
Sometimes I wake up sick, only to resolve itself few hours after. So I may take a lot of actual sick days as false alarm.
The rest seems like a roulette of how much I can function.
All affecting my performance or even attitude.
I likely have a sleep issue related to breathing even before elementary.
I likely have an undiagnosed sleep condition that is yet to be treated.
I'd take chronic nightmares over dealing with the daily heaviness of my body every day and the unpredictable outcomes of sleep that affects my whole waking life.
It's like sleep is what stresses my body more than being awake and moving -- that I don't get the usual benefits of sleep, I get more downsides from it.
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