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30 Nov 2023, 6:09 am

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Those were contrasting opinions as to how intelligent I am.



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30 Nov 2023, 6:19 am

It is typical of someone without a good observation over one's self and others.

It is also very common with people who do not know their worth, which is typically people with self esteem issues.


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30 Nov 2023, 6:29 am

which screenshot are you referring to? ,
or is it the overall different perceptions of the commenting individuals. ??

I think you can get 100 people's opinions or observations on almost any subject and not one of them is likely to be exactly or even partially the same.
I think People's perceptions shape their ideas of reality to some degree, and perceptions can vary wildly, ND or NT.


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30 Nov 2023, 6:47 am

I think autistics can excel in some areas and be clueless in other areas. So we can be geniuses and dum-dums at the same time, depending on which area of knowledge or ability someone who sees us is looking at.

I graduated from an Ivy League university (not that that makes me a genius) but I can't drive a car (not that that makes me a dum-dum), for instance.



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30 Nov 2023, 7:35 am

autisticelders wrote:
which screenshot are you referring to? ,
or is it the overall different perceptions of the commenting individuals. ??


The contrast between them.



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30 Nov 2023, 7:42 am

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I think autistics can excel in some areas and be clueless in other areas. So we can be geniuses and dum-dums at the same time, depending on which area of knowledge or ability someone who sees us is looking at.

I graduated from an Ivy League university (not that that makes me a genius) but I can't drive a car (not that that makes me a dum-dum), for instance.


I can do well on high range IQ tests,including those created and normed by psychometricians, but I'm significantly worse when it comes to daily living tasks ( adaptive functioning <IQ)



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30 Nov 2023, 7:50 am

I'm not sure these have to be contrasting opinions. You can be highly intelligent and lack the executive function to focus that intelligence in any useful way. I'm not saying that's you, I don't know you. But perhaps the first person sees your intelligence and the second is blind to it for some reason. Or perhaps the first person uses that word to flatter people. Genius is thrown around a lot but there are very few true geniuses. Again, not knowing the people involved makes it hard to evaluate.


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30 Nov 2023, 8:15 am

I would never personally claim to be a 'genius'. Why? I lack the necessary creativity.



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30 Nov 2023, 8:21 am

The original application of genius was to a specific ability, not to the person. It was like an external entity who helped you with a particular thing. So you'd say "He has a genius for mathematics" or whatever. I prefer that usage.


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30 Nov 2023, 8:30 am

DuckHairback wrote:
I'm not sure these have to be contrasting opinions. You can be highly intelligent and lack the executive function to focus that intelligence in any useful way. I'm not saying that's you, I don't know you. But perhaps the first person sees your intelligence and the second is blind to it for some reason. Or perhaps the first person uses that word to flatter people. Genius is thrown around a lot but there are very few true geniuses. Again, not knowing the people involved makes it hard to evaluate.


The 1st was from the FB high IQ community and the 2nd the cognitive testing subreddit. The first is more friendly, more mature, far less aggressive, there's a narrower range of intellectual ability. The second? Very dog eat dog . Has a bad reputation re people cheating on tests. Is very negative about the FB high IQ community.



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01 Dec 2023, 6:20 pm

bee33 wrote:
I think autistics can excel in some areas and be clueless in other areas. So we can be geniuses and dum-dums at the same time, depending on which area of knowledge or ability someone who sees us is looking at.

I graduated from an Ivy League university (not that that makes me a genius) but I can't drive a car (not that that makes me a dum-dum), for instance.


Curious, why can't/don't you drive? Is it related to autism? There are NTs who don't drive.



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01 Dec 2023, 6:29 pm

DuckHairback wrote:
The original application of genius was to a specific ability, not to the person. It was like an external entity who helped you with a particular thing. So you'd say "He has a genius for mathematics" or whatever. I prefer that usage.

Which was fine based on the knowledge of the day. The issue though is that it turns out the Wechsler was largely correct that people tend to be more globally brilliant, or not. Having brilliance in just one area is mostly a savant thing, and ever there it's debatable as to whether these individuals truly couldn't have developed it in one of the other areas if they had chosen to.

I do think that it probably is more common with autistic people to not recognize our own abilities as it can be rather hard to feel particularly smart when being taken to task for things that everybody else seems to be able to do without much work. I'd love to know when I'm thirsty, but I didn't get that ability, I can however develop some rather impressive skills in a fraction of the time that it would take NTs to do so. Even though, that never applies to executive functioning tasks.



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01 Dec 2023, 7:44 pm

firemonkey wrote:
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Those were contrasting opinions as to how intelligent I am.


I'll just note that the person saying you're not that intelligent has trouble differentiating between "your" and "you're," so perhaps they aren't the best judge on the topic.



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01 Dec 2023, 9:02 pm

NowWhatDoIDo wrote:
firemonkey wrote:
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Those were contrasting opinions as to how intelligent I am.


I'll just note that the person saying you're not that intelligent has trouble differentiating between "your" and "you're," so perhaps they aren't the best judge on the topic.

I'm not sure that typos are really the best indicator of intelligence. They're a decent proxy for care when composing, but not much else.



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01 Dec 2023, 10:29 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
I'm not sure that typos are really the best indicator of intelligence. They're a decent proxy for care when composing, but not much else.


I don't agree with with this. If you're going to question someone's intelligence, then basic spelling and grammar in your native language ought to be a prerequisite.



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01 Dec 2023, 10:47 pm

firemonkey wrote:
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Those were contrasting opinions as to how intelligent I am.

Yes I think it's common in autism. From time to time over my life people have said things to me like "How can somebody so obviously intelligent as you are make such a stupid mistake?" So I get the impression that some people label individuals as either globally intelligent or globally stupid, and then they've been perplexed when they see how differently I perform depending on the nature of the task. Aspie often score very well on certain sections of IQ tests and very poorly on others. I don't believe in global intelligence. I think aptitudes for specific types of task are real, and I try to stick to those when I'm describing a person's mental abilities.

So I think those people who have tried to describe your intelligence have a poor understanding of the nuances of the concept, or maybe the complimentary one was trying to be nice to you and the non-complimentary one was doing something else that's at least equally wrong. Not sure quite what, but I smell a rat - they pretty much dismissed your entire ability to think and then switched the subject to supposedly reassuring you that there's nothing wrong with being a thickie, thus inhibiting consideration of their initial assertion. Wouldn't work on me. I'd probably force the conversation back onto the first bit, and unpick it. But then I've had a lot of practice in looking for weakness in unsupported assertions, especially if they're about me, and I like to think that not much gets past my goalie without due consideration and analysis.