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28 Oct 2024, 6:50 pm

A "Religion for Breakfast" video



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcNvq7l416Y

You can read a translation of the Didache here: https://www.catholicplanet.com/ebooks/didache.htm

I gather that the Didache may have been considered for inclusion in the Bible. It would be useful for some modern Christians who tie themselves into pretzels to argue that the Bible prohibits abortion. In the Didache, it is clear:

Chapter 2 wrote:
...Thou shalt not procure abortion, nor shalt thou kill the new-born child....


Christians at the time probably thought that the end of the world was imminent.

Chapter 16 wrote:
...For in the last days the false prophets and destroyers shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate.

For when lawlessness increases, they shall hate and persecute, and deliver up one another; and then shall appear the world-deceiver as Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands, and he shall commit iniquities which have never yet come to pass from the beginning of the world.

And then shall the race of men come into the fire of trial, and many shall be offended and shall perish; but they who endure in their faith shall be saved from under the curse itself.

And then shall appear the signs of the truth: first the sign of opening in heaven; then the sign of the voice of the trumpet; and the third, the resurrection of the dead.

Not, however, of all, but as was said, "The Lord shall come, and all the saints with him."

Then shall the world see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven.



Some modern Christians have some complicated and rather silly notions that tie Jesus' return, and the end of the world, with the creation of modern Israel. The writer(s) of the Didache was/were much more succinct.


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29 Oct 2024, 6:09 pm

An interesting point

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...the resurrection of the dead. Not, however, of all, but as was said, "The Lord shall come, and all the saints with him."...



I thought that the standard Christian belief was that ALL dead humans were to be resurrected and judged--not just the "saints." That would make things a lot less crowded. Especially if the billions upon billions of our ancestors, going back to the pre-neanderthal days, were to be resurrected--a lot of them would be very confused, particularly if, after their resurrection, they found themselves consigned to the Lake of Fire and Sulfur for not having believed in Jesus.

Perhaps by "saints", the author means Christians who had recently died, and whose bodies were not overly decomposed.

Are there no Christians on this site, to share their perspectives?


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29 Oct 2024, 7:50 pm

Honey69 wrote:
An interesting point

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...the resurrection of the dead. Not, however, of all, but as was said, "The Lord shall come, and all the saints with him."...



I thought that the standard Christian belief was that ALL dead humans were to be resurrected and judged--not just the "saints." That would make things a lot less crowded. Especially if the billions upon billions of our ancestors, going back to the pre-neanderthal days, were to be resurrected--a lot of them would be very confused, particularly if, after their resurrection, they found themselves consigned to the Lake of Fire and Sulfur for not having believed in Jesus.

Perhaps by "saints", the author means Christians who had recently died, and whose bodies were not overly decomposed.

Are there no Christians on this site, to share their perspectives?

Well I am a Christian and "saint" in my part of Christianity just means any Christian.Sorry I could not help further.



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29 Oct 2024, 9:17 pm

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Perhaps by "saints", the author means Christians who had recently died, and whose bodies were not overly decomposed.


I meant in the time frame of the composition of the Didache--perhaps late in the first century--you're expecting the dead "saints" to be resurrected, possibly referring to Christians who had freshly died while awaiting Jesus' return. A few centuries later, and the bodies would have been too long decomposed to have anything pretty to resurrect.

But, when they say "not, however, of all", perhaps the authors are referring to a select group of Christians who would be resurrected.

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Well I am a Christian and "saint" in my part of Christianity just means any Christian.Sorry I could not help further.


Are you expecting every human to be resurrected, or just all of the Christians, or just a minority of Christians?


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29 Oct 2024, 10:00 pm

Well, now we know where Nostradamus got his material.


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29 Oct 2024, 11:01 pm

Honey69 wrote:
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Perhaps by "saints", the author means Christians who had recently died, and whose bodies were not overly decomposed.


I meant in the time frame of the composition of the Didache--perhaps late in the first century--you're expecting the dead "saints" to be resurrected, possibly referring to Christians who had freshly died while awaiting Jesus' return. A few centuries later, and the bodies would have been too long decomposed to have anything pretty to resurrect.

But, when they say "not, however, of all", perhaps the authors are referring to a select group of Christians who would be resurrected.

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Well I am a Christian and "saint" in my part of Christianity just means any Christian.Sorry I could not help further.


Are you expecting every human to be resurrected, or just all of the Christians, or just a minority of Christians?


My church teaches that every human will be raised from the dead.



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30 Oct 2024, 12:11 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
My church teaches that every human will be raised from the dead.


That's going to be quite a crowd. Trillions of people, raised from the dead, and judged at once. For most, it will be easy though. "Oh, you never heard of Jesus? Well, off you go then. To the lake of fire and sulfur."

I grew up reciting the Apostles Creed every Sunday.

Quote:
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth;

And in Jesus Christ his only Son, our Lord;
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;
the third day he rose from the dead;
he ascended into heaven,
and sitteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.


Some versions have Jesus descending into Hell before ascending into Heaven.

The Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed

I don't know what they mean by "the communion of saints." Maybe we aren't really meant to know.

Anyway, I think that a lot of Christian denominations have given up on the "resurrection of the body" theory, and adopted the notion of the soul existing independently of the body (probably adapted from Greek models). Upon death, your soul goes immediately to Heaven or Hell (Catholics may place a lot of souls in Purgatory). Your body is no longer required, and can rot away.


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30 Oct 2024, 5:24 pm

Honey69 wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
My church teaches that every human will be raised from the dead.


That's going to be quite a crowd. Trillions of people, raised from the dead, and judged at once. For most, it will be easy though. "Oh, you never heard of Jesus? Well, off you go then. To the lake of fire and sulfur."

I grew up reciting the Apostles Creed every Sunday.

Quote:
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth;

And in Jesus Christ his only Son, our Lord;
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;
the third day he rose from the dead;
he ascended into heaven,
and sitteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.


Some versions have Jesus descending into Hell before ascending into Heaven.

The Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed

I don't know what they mean by "the communion of saints." Maybe we aren't really meant to know.

Anyway, I think that a lot of Christian denominations have given up on the "resurrection of the body" theory, and adopted the notion of the soul existing independently of the body (probably adapted from Greek models). Upon death, your soul goes immediately to Heaven or Hell (Catholics may place a lot of souls in Purgatory). Your body is no longer required, and can rot away.


Surprisingly in the church of Christ which is the church I am apart of the destination of the soul after death hasnt been agreed upon.Some think you go to a pleasant holding place called Paradise.Others think the lost go to a holding place called Hades.Others teach that we either go to Heaven or Hell.



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30 Oct 2024, 5:32 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Surprisingly in the church of Christ which is the church I am apart of the destination of the soul after death hasnt been agreed upon.Some think you go to a pleasant holding place called Paradise.Others think the lost go to a holding place called Hades.Others teach that we either go to Heaven or Hell.


I'm surprised they don't have any issues with naming their holding place after the God of Death, but I guess that avoids calling it Purgatory.


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30 Oct 2024, 7:24 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Surprisingly in the church of Christ which is the church I am apart of the destination of the soul after death hasnt been agreed upon.Some think you go to a pleasant holding place called Paradise.Others think the lost go to a holding place called Hades.Others teach that we either go to Heaven or Hell.


I'm surprised they don't have any issues with naming their holding place after the God of Death, but I guess that avoids calling it Purgatory.

Ya.There was this church of Christ youtuber and she talked about how her dad believed in the holding place in the church of Christ that people supposedly go to after death called "Hades."They adapted the term from Greek mythology but to mean a different concept.The church of Christ has its own terms for certain things that are different than the rest of Christianity.For example "Pastor" is a huge cuss word at my church.My pastor thinks you go straight to Heaven or Hell upon death but its not universally agreed upon in the church of Christ.



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30 Oct 2024, 7:41 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Surprisingly in the church of Christ which is the church I am apart of the destination of the soul after death hasnt been agreed upon.Some think you go to a pleasant holding place called Paradise.Others think the lost go to a holding place called Hades.Others teach that we either go to Heaven or Hell.


Then what happens on Resurrection Day? Is your soul reunited with your body?


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30 Oct 2024, 8:30 pm

Honey69 wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Surprisingly in the church of Christ which is the church I am apart of the destination of the soul after death hasnt been agreed upon.Some think you go to a pleasant holding place called Paradise.Others think the lost go to a holding place called Hades.Others teach that we either go to Heaven or Hell.


Then what happens on Resurrection Day? Is your soul reunited with your body?

The soul will be reunited with the body in the ressurection of the dead according to the church of Christ.



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30 Oct 2024, 10:23 pm

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The soul will be reunited with the body in the ressurection of the dead according to the church of Christ.


But what if the body is badly decomposed, or even completely decomposed, or cremated? It seems like the basis for an intriguing zombie movie.


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30 Oct 2024, 11:15 pm

Honey69 wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
The soul will be reunited with the body in the ressurection of the dead according to the church of Christ.


But what if the body is badly decomposed, or even completely decomposed, or cremated? It seems like the basis for an intriguing zombie movie.

We are told our bodies will be restored in the church of Christ but I honestly dont know how because my pastor thinks the person in Heaven may be something different and a different type of body.I dont know though.



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31 Oct 2024, 9:06 am

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Surprisingly in the church of Christ which is the church I am apart of the destination of the soul after death hasnt been agreed upon.Some think you go to a pleasant holding place called Paradise.Others think the lost go to a holding place called Hades.Others teach that we either go to Heaven or Hell.


When your soul is in the holding place, absent the body, that would be without your mind and body. You couldn't talk to anyone. You couldn't play cards. You couldn't play tennis. You couldn't even think. It would be an experience similar to being in a coma. It doesn't seem at all pleasant.

Then, after being reunited with your body, or after being issued a new one, if you maintained the correct set of beliefs during your earthly existence, then you go to Heaven and spend eternity playing a harp. Or, if your beliefs were incorrect, then it will be eternal torture in the Lake of Fire and Sulfur.

I wonder what God's motivation was in creating this mess.


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31 Oct 2024, 11:29 am


Selected 'Cherry' From Chapter 16 of the 'Didache':

"the sheep shall be turned into wolves,
and love shall be turned into hate."

Hmm, Sounds Like A
Real Modern 'Love Fest'

Or Perhaps a Day at
the Used Car Lot

Without
'me' to

Referee hehe..:)


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