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10 Nov 2024, 6:03 am

Most talking heads of all political persuasions have bought into the landslide interpretation pushed by MAGA's, hook line, and sinker

As of this writing, Trump is leading the popular vote 50.5 to 47.8 percent and 312 to 226. If you are young and all you have known is polarization it can seem this way. And there is the reality that the election was not as close as the numbers suggest because Harris underperformed Biden amount almost all demographics and almost all locations.

OTHD the popular vote numbers will narrow as the blue state mail-in and drop-box ballots from California, Oregon and Washington are counted.

Let's look at some actual landslides and other not close elections us older people lived through
1964 Lyndon Johnson 61.1 % Barry Goldwater 38.5% Electoral College 486 to 52

1972 Richard Nixon 60.7 % George McGovern 37.5 percent. Electoral College 520 to 17. McGovern lost his home state

1974 Midterms Popular vote Dems +16. Democrats 60 to 38 lead in the Senate Gain 49 seats in the House for a 291 to 149 advantage

1980 Ronald Reagan 50.7% Jimmy Carter 41% Electoral College 489 to 49 Republicans take control of the Senate

1984 Ronald Reagan 58.8% Walter Mondale 40.6 percent Electoral College 525 to 13

1996 Bill Clinton 49.2 Bob Dole 40.7 Electoral College 379 to 159

What has surprised me in the aftermath of this election? No protests and riots and an apparent feeling of. hopelessness(Democrats hopelessly incompetent and Neoliberal, Voters hopelessly bigoted, sheepie and selfish etc)

The numbers say that reverting this result in future years is very doable The above demonstrated parties that were thumped to a much greater degree than the Dems this year reverted those results in short order. Yes, the authoritarian roadblocks that will be put up will make this harder but still doable.

The Democrats and all anti-Trumpers do have some decisions to make but they they need to be based on what actually happened.


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10 Nov 2024, 10:55 am

"As of this writing, Trump is leading the popular vote 50.5 to 47.8 percent and 312 to 226. If you are young and all you have known is polarization it can seem this way. And there is the reality that the election was not as close as the numbers suggest because Harris underperformed Biden amount almost all demographics and almost all locations.

OTHD the popular vote numbers will narrow as the blue state mail-in and drop-box ballots from California, Oregon and Washington are counted.

Let's look at some actual landslides and other not close elections us older people lived through
1964 Lyndon Johnson 61.1 % Barry Goldwater 38.5% Electoral College 486 to 52

1972 Richard Nixon 60.7 % George McGovern 37.5 percent. Electoral College 520 to 17. McGovern lost his home state

1974 Midterms Popular vote Dems +16. Democrats 60 to 38 lead in the Senate Gain 49 seats in the House for a 291 to 149 advantage

1980 Ronald Reagan 50.7% Jimmy Carter 41% Electoral College 489 to 49 Republicans take control of the Senate

1984 Ronald Reagan 58.8% Walter Mondale 40.6 percent Electoral College 525 to 13

1996 Bill Clinton 49.2 Bob Dole 40.7 Electoral College 379 to 159"



Excellent Analysis ASPartOfMe, When i Saw The OP Title of "The Election Was No Landslide Not Close"
i Felt oh Dear Lord, Finally An Analysis From the Press With Enough Wisdom to Make This Clear Yet

Amazingly, i Have Yet to come across One, Except For What You Clearly And Concisely Bring Here...

It's Almost as
if the 'Losers'
At the Elite Top
Are So Butt Hurt
They Wanna Express
Masochism For Their Fall...

True, Top Political Analysts From even
CNN, Predicted Ahead that Either Side Could
Sway to Win All 7 Swing States. And This is Exactly What

Happened Within the Margin of 3 Points or So, by the End of the
Popular General Population Count; NO, even so far, 50.5 Percent

of the Voters Is NO Landslide By Any Statistical Count; only a Significant Win

Of A
Half of
A Percent
of All Voting Tallied;

And Yes With Harris Only
2.7 Percentage Points Behind Trump

With Plenty More Blue State Ballots to Be Counted
As i've Continued to See the Lead Narrow as the Counts Grow...

Yes, It's a Real Problem When the Losers Give a Mandate That IS NOT
Materializing in the Reality of the Numbers; As of Now We Don't even Have a Clear
Winner of the House and at Most it Will Be Very Close Just Like Last Go Around in 2020...

Once Again to Reiterate, With Basic Common Sense, Half of the Country DID NOT Vote for Trump;
And Likely Less than Half, When the Popular Vote is All Counted From the Blue States Still Outstanding...

Working With the Military for a Quarter of a Century and Seeing the ACTUAL LOYALTY TO THE CONSTITUTION OF
THOSE WHO SWORE THAT OATH WHEN COMING INTO SERVICE; SO FAR, i Have Faith that They will NOT ALLOW Trump
to Rape the Constitution By Using the Military to Inflict Harm on His Political Enemies; For If The Military Fails to Fulfill

Their Oath
to the
Constitution

ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE;

And the Putin's and The Such Will Applaud Their Puppet at Hand...

And Perhaps All the Children in Graves Under Rubbles of Buildings
Will Be More Remembered

When It's
On Our
Soils This
Go Around;

Words Matter;

COMPETENCE

IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIFE OR DEATH.



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10 Nov 2024, 12:27 pm

I am glad you liked the analysis. I see you were having the same reaction to all the landslide and mandate talk that I was having. If you have not read it yet here is my analysis of how the Democrats blew it.


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10 Nov 2024, 9:13 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
I am glad you liked the analysis. I see you were having the same reaction to all the landslide and mandate talk that I was having. If you have not read it yet here is my analysis of how the Democrats blew it.


I Listened to Fareed Zakaria, who is Usually Less Biased than Most Analysts and He Basically
Agreed with Your Assessment With Major Factors Of the Global Wide Pandemic, And Associated
Supply Issues With Inflation; Immigration Problems at the Border; And Various Other Factors Identified
in Your Thread of What Went Wrong With the Democrat's Effort; Of course, the Democrats Felt Sure Trump

Could Beat No One With His Legal Issues; Particularly, Inciting A Try of An Overthrow Of a Fair Representative
Democracy Election Result; Otherwise, It's Not Likely They Would Have Allowed Biden to Skate By Without any
Real Competition in the Primary; And Held Him More to His Promise of Being a Transition President to a Younger Generation

Of New Candidates With Fresh Ideas; Harris, attempted to Please Everyone, Including Her Loyalty to President Biden.

Harris, Definitely Exceeded Expectations of Most Everyone From the Start of Her Effort. If the Biden Administration
Didn't Remedy the Issues With Unemployment, Jobs, Gross Domestic Product Output, The Inflation Rate, Stock
Market Booming, Loan Rates Finally Decreasing; And Particularly, A Major Issue of Folks Living Pay-Check to
Pay-Check Worrying About the Price of Gas, Going Under 3 Dollars, We might have Seen the Kind of Landslides
That Other Western Developed Countries Experienced With More Authoritarian Leaders Replacing Incumbents.

The New York Times, Currently Forecasts The Ending Popular Vote Count to be around 1.5 Percent to the Favor
of Trump When All Votes Are Counted. Zakaria, Agreed that the Election Was Close Enough For the Democrats
to have Potentially Won It, If They Corrected The Assessed Mistakes With Clearer Vision Looking Backwards.

When the Pandemic Started, I Read Where that Kind of Global Phenomenon Leading to Scarcity Among the
Masses, Is Usually Accompanied By More Authoritarian Leaders Coming into Power; Or Whoever Can Convince

the 'Common Denominator' Of the Masses They Can Fix the Problem, Whether they Can or Not.

Neither Trump or Harris Were Likely to Resolve the Biggest Consumer Issue of Prices of Groceries
and the Such as That; However, As the Economic Experts Predict, Trump Can Surely Make Things Worse

With His Tariffs and Mass Deportation of Immigrants, If Folks Allow Him to Do That And Potentially Lose

Their House
Positions
In Two Years From Now;

Behind Closed Doors, In Both
The House and The Senate, A Substantial
Number of the Senators and Representatives
Have Expressed Disgust about the Product of Trump;

Lots of Cognitive Dissonance I'm Sure There is; And Not
Likely that everyone is Gonna Go With All That He Suggests On His
Team As They Will Surely Do Whatever It Takes for Them to Stay In Power too...

Increased
Inflation will
Surely Be a Disaster
For That as forecast
By Economic Experts,

If Trump Gets to Do What He Wants to Do...

Of Course That's Nothing New With Folks who Lack Competence;

No Doubt He Understands How to Pull the Heart Strings of Fear, Anger,

and Hate; Yet that's Not Enough to Run A Country, Successfully, Once One gets to Actually do The Job.

They'll Probably get the 15 Percent Corporate Tax Rate and continue the Other Tax Cuts that the General
Population Currently Enjoys; and of Course they Will Hold That Part Hostage to get the 15 Percent Corporate
Tax Rate to Increase the Country's Deficit For Another Corporate Welfare Tax Hand-Out; As Far As No Tax
On Tips, No Tax on Social Security, Highly Unlikely the House or Senate Will move on any more Tax Cuts

For the Working Class Folks; What they Will Likely Do is Cut Money For The Environment and the Subsidies
Associated With the Affordable Care Act also Coming to Expire at the End of 2025; That's Gonna Be a Lot
of Pain for a Substantial Number of Voters; Most People Don't Have the Focus, Attention Span to Pay Attention

to Many Political
Details; Like the Folks
Who had to Search Google
to See if Biden Had dropped
Out of the Race By the Date of the Election...

Politics, is Not close to Everyone's Interest;

Until The S Really Hits the Fan; Potentially Still to come

And Bring Out the Similar Turn-Out Biden Enjoyed With His 81 MiLLioN Votes in 2020...

Cycles come and go; We've Surely Seen the S Hit the Fan before; More to Come Indeed...

Yet the COG of the Government Machine Moves Slow and Often finds Itself Still Clogged UP...

Lot Of 'Bozos' Left; Particularly, in the Republican House; Competence Hasn't Shown to Be Their Strong Point,

So
Far
At Least..:)


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10 Nov 2024, 9:38 pm

The mail-in ballots on the West Coast mean nothing. Even if they put Harris over the top, the Electoral College calls the shots.

Welcome (back) to the 1950s. Enjoy watching everything you've taken for granted become illegal.


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11 Nov 2024, 6:24 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
The mail-in ballots on the West Coast mean nothing. Even if they put Harris over the top, the Electoral College calls the shots.

Welcome (back) to the 1950s. Enjoy watching everything you've taken for granted become illegal.


True mail-in ballots won't affect the results. That is not the point of this thread. If the false belief that Trump won by a landslide and has this massive mandate continues to take hold it is going to be easier for the Republicans to pass authoritarian laws and for Trump to implement authoritarian policies.

It is depressing enough that Trump won again, a false belief that he won by a landslide can be utterly dispiriting.


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11 Nov 2024, 7:01 am

From my understanding, about 250 000 votes across Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania made the difference in the election result.


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