US Election Blowback

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It seems like a lot of people are really shocked to find out their moral choices have consequences and that if you tell people you support hate, they might just want nothing to do with you.



How does WP feel about MAGA voters being shunned for their choice to support Donald Trump? Do you think it's reasonable to shun people who openly express support for bigotry?

There's a saying that "Trump might not be a racist, but the racists who voted for Trump believe he's a racist."

It's kind of the same here. She might not be anti-LGBTQ+... but she voted for the side that is.

She voted for the side backed by the Christian Nationalists. She voted for the side trying to get Trump Bibles into every classroom. She voted for the side trying to stop Trans everything. The side that equates Gays with pedos. The side that wants to bash Drag Queens.

If a Christian's friend realised their friend is a gay Satanist, would we be surprised if they ceased being friends.

If a black person discovered a high school friend joined the KKK, would we be scandalised if the black person stopped sending the KKK dude cards at Christmas?

The lesbian in the first video voted for Trump. Great. She has the right to vote for whomever she wants.

Everyone else has the right to stop inviting her over for cocktails.

Richard Grenell served as Acting Director of National Intelligence (DNI) under President Donald Trump in 2020,
becoming the first openly gay holder of a cabinet level position in the history of the United States.
Trump is considering Grenell for Secretary of State!
The idea that Trump is a homophobe is laughable. The flamboyantly gay Roy Cohn was "Donald's mentor, his
constant adviser on every significant aspect of his business and personal life".
Interestingly, Donald and Ivanka were among the first people to enter the legendary Studio 54.

The bUt I hAvE <category> fRiEnDs sO i CaNt Be A bIgOt is strong with that argument, Romo.

I think it’s normal for people not to want to hang out with those whose views are bigoted or who have demonstrated that they support bigotry.

I’m not sure about full on shunning, but I certainly wouldn’t be interested in being close friends with a Trump supporter. It’d be hard to overlook the fact that they voted for a rapist, racist, etc., and it would limit the things we could talk about.

More like, "I was mentored by a gay man, elected a gay man to high office as soon as I had the power, and even hung out at gay hot spots decades before that was fashionable, and I am called a homophobe by some?

Bill Clinton, whom I regard as open-minded, doesn't have anything like Trump's record on gay rights. Trump even passed legislation to make the PREP medicine available to gay men for reduced prices.

"In March 2020, during that year's election campaign for President of the United States, Tara Reade alleged that Democratic nominee Joe Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993 in a Capitol Hill office building when she was a staff assistant in his office."

"A total of seven women have come forward with accusations of inappropriate behavior, with three of them speaking out after former Vice President Joe Biden..."

All lying, of course!

^ It would be helpful if you provided links rather than quotes solely. In any event, I’m not sure what those allegations have to do with Trump. Even if true, it doesn’t change the fact that Trump is a proven misogynist, rapist, and bigot in other ways.

TIL: Joe Biden potentially being a sex-pest means Donald Trump isn't a sex-pest... or something.

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TwilightPrincess wrote:

^ It would be helpful if you provided links rather than quotes solely. In any event, I’m not sure what those allegations have to do with Trump. Even if true, it doesn’t change the fact that Trump is a misogynist, rapist, and bigot.

'it would be helpful if you supplied links, rather than accusations solely."

Where is YOUR evidence that Trump is homophobic, or racist, or a bigot?

I have only heard broad, windy claims, no evidence or links to such.

Do you actually have any evidence of such?

Donald Trump is a sex predator. He has been found civilly-liable for rape, meaning it was confirmed with evidence in court. In addition, he has tons more allegations against him, and he himself has gleefully boasted about sexually assaulting women because his fame/power allowed to get away with it including the interview where he bragged about going into dressing rooms at the pageants to see the women naked.

How in the world am I supposed to feel bad for someone who could excuse all of that and vote for him? Add that on with the fact that Trump, his admin, and the MAGATs (not necessarily all Trump voters persay) scapegoat LGBT people and immigrants, telling us that they are here to protect women and children from them. But, no, what I, as a woman, am worried about is any and all predators. Never had any issues with trans people or immigrants. Absolutely none. That's not to say that predators don't exist in those groups, predators exist in all groups, but that's a case by case basis. You don't punish the whole group because of a few bad people. Seeing a group of people who are fine with electing sex predators but have to take away freedoms and rights from innocent people because those people might be predators fills me with so much righteous anger. It's just pure evil. It's as evil as evil can get.

A rapist who bragged about invading women's spaces to look at girls naked is not someone that being anywhere outside of a jail cell makes me feel safe. In fact, now that he's president, all sex predators are feeling emboldened. You can be a sex predator and still become president! Yet, apparently you can't be president if you're a woman... What an absolute horrendous message this sends to our society.

Okay, but the sex predator thing is just one problem with Trump. He truthfully is abysmal in every single way. And it was all on display. How could anyone miss how absolutely horrible Trump is and would be if he got back in power?

1. The man is a corrupt, greedy convicted felon.
2. The man tried to steal the 2020 election (yes, we have ample evidence) and goaded on a failed insurrection.
3. As pointed out in the first point he is corrupt and greedy. This means he has no solutions for the economic issues that the people are facing. Absolutely none. He will cut taxes for the rich by taking away from the poor. He is a comic book villain.
4. He boasted about how he'll be a dictator "for a day", which we have no reason to believe will just be a day. It never is. The man looks up to dictators in other countries.
5. He is a puppet of the Religious Right. He told you that he won't implement Project 2025, but that's a load of BS. He is all in on the plans of the Religious Right. He implemented a whopping 64% of the Heritage Foundation's equivalent document in his first term. He stacked the Supreme Court with picks groomed by The Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society. Yes, those picks that took Roe v Wade away from us and also declared Trump immune from consequences from any "official action". If you think this man won't implement Project 2025, you didn't pay attention to anything.
6. Relevant for the people of this forum: He has absolutely no respect for people who are disabled in any way. Neither do his Religious Right goons getting in power under him. Let me tell you, they think autism is something we need to be delivered from.

Those are just a few points.

So... Do I feel sympathy Trump voters being cut off? No. Not at all. They voted for the baddies. Them being baddies was so blatantly obvious. It was unmissable. Anyone who voted for him needs to leave me the F alone. Go. Get far away from me and face the consequences of your obviously bad decisions. The Christofascists you voted for will come after me first. You didn't stand up to them, you voted for them. You won't have me to cry in my shoulders when they come after you. And they will.