Do Plants Feel Pain?
funeralxempire
Veteran

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 40
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 31,456
Location: Right over your left shoulder
That's one conclusion scientists have reached from a recent study where they tested anesthetics on a variety of different plants.
A team of researchers from the University of Florence and Germany's University of Bonn found that plants respond to anesthetics the same way that humans and animals do.
The scientists exposed Venus flytraps, Mimosa leaves (also referred to as the 'shy plant'), pea tendrils and sundew plants to ether, a common anesthetic.
Scientists placed pea plants in a glass chamber and exposed them to ether. Once exposed, the pea tendrils curled up and stopped moving, showing the effects of anesthesia
In other cases, they soaked the roots of some plants with lidocaine.
The goal was to try out different methods of anesthesia with no structural similarities to demonstrate that the plants' reactions weren't coincidental or circumstantial.
More importantly, they wanted to prove that plants react to anesthesia in the same way that humans and animals do.
'The fact that plant cells responded to these compounds in a similar manner to animals and humans is intriguing,' the scientists wrote in the study.
To document this, the scientists used a single-lens reflex camera to follow organ movements in plants before, during and after recover from exposure to different anesthetics, the scientists said.
Each of the plants seemed to react in a similar fashion, by becoming immobile or not responding to touch in their typical manner.
For example, the Venus flytrap is famous for closing its jaw-like leaves when it senses an insect or prey nearby.
But when it was doused with an anesthetic, an interesting phenomenon occurred.
The scientists measured the electrical activity of a flytrap's cells and found that it had lost its 'action potentials,' meaning that the spiky trap, or its 'trigger hairs,' didn't close when poked.
Action potentials are 'necessary' to close the plant's trap and to initiate the digestive process, according to the study.
After the ether was gradually removed, it took about 900 seconds for the Venus flytrap to return to its normal state.
The flytrap demonstrated for 'the first time ever' that to immobilize plants, you have to inhibit their action potentials.
'In other words, as in animals and humans, bioelectricity and action potentials animate not only humans and animals but also plants,' the scientists said.
A similar effect was produced when the scientists exposed the Mimosa pudica, or 'shy plant,' to ether.
After about an hour of exposure, the plant 'completely lost the response to touch stimuli,' the scientists said.
Unlike the flytrap, however, it took the mimosa plant seven hours before it was able to regain consciousness.
Scientists have largely been unable to determine how anesthetics are able to render humans, animals and plants unconscious.
The study revealed that the common effect may be due to the drugs impacting our cell membranes, causing them to become more flexible, according to the New York Times.
Frantisek Baluska, a co-author of the study, told the Times that it's unclear what is altering the membrane function in plants.
What is clear is that the membrane function controls the transferring of messages via electricity from one cell to another, which is what causes plants to move.
The scientists say the study has helped shed light on how plants react to anesthesia in a similar way to animals and humans.
'Plants are not just robotic, stimulus-response devices,' Baluska told the Times.
'They're living organisms which have their own problems, maybe something like with humans feeling pain or joy'
'In order to navigate this complex life, they must have some compass,' Baluska added.
The study could also show how plants could one day replace animals as objects for testing anesthesia.
Scientists have discovered in the past that testing anesthesia on animals can produce ineffective results, while testing the drugs on plants might prove to produce more reliable data.
_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Make America Great (Depression) Again
funeralxempire
Veteran

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 40
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 31,456
Location: Right over your left shoulder
I don't think I'd want to live as a plant, so can I say none of the above?

_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Make America Great (Depression) Again
kokopelli
Veteran

Joined: 27 Nov 2017
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,541
Location: amid the sunlight and the dust and the wind
Such claims came out in the late 1960s. Some quack used a lie detector to make claims that plants could exhibit emotions. What a load of hogwash!
Plants don't have brains. They don't have neurons. While something might elicit a response, that does not mean that they fell anything.
Plants don't have brains. They don't have neurons. While something might elicit a response, that does not mean that they fell anything.
Hmmm
What are feelings other than chemical reactions?
This is description of the Venus plant "excitement":
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-06915-z
And human emotion:
https://myacare.com/blog/feelings-the-n ... of-emotion
_________________
Bestiola is a nit, and her trousers do not fit.
Last edited by Bestiola on 19 Feb 2025, 2:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
yes!
https://www.science.org/content/article ... ous-system
If you could live as any plant which plant would you choose to be?
Hmmm sequoia or some pine tree

_________________
Bestiola is a nit, and her trousers do not fit.
kokopelli
Veteran

Joined: 27 Nov 2017
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,541
Location: amid the sunlight and the dust and the wind
Being vocal doesn't equal having a developed nervous system. Octopus has 9 brains yet you will never see it scream, yell or participate in a singing competition.
_________________
Bestiola is a nit, and her trousers do not fit.
kokopelli
Veteran

Joined: 27 Nov 2017
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,541
Location: amid the sunlight and the dust and the wind
Being vocal doesn't equal having a developed nervous system. Octopus has 9 brains yet you will never see it scream, yell or participate in a singing competition.
So how many brains do you think that a tree has?
Being vocal doesn't equal having a developed nervous system. Octopus has 9 brains yet you will never see it scream, yell or participate in a singing competition.
So how many brains do you think that a tree has?
I'd say one big "brain" so to speak, that is interconnected with the other trees (if we're talking about a forest) or nearby plant communities through underground fungal networks, aka mycorrhizal networks.
https://www.nationalforests.org/blog/un ... 20minerals.
_________________
Bestiola is a nit, and her trousers do not fit.
ex-biologist here.
Plants are multicellular and clearly cells communicate to each other via some mechanism that's poorly understood. that each cell responds and passes signals (like animal neurons) may be likely, so is the plant as a whole sentient? if biologist Dawkins is correct and there is some form of consciousness outside of bodies, then it may be possible for plants to react as a single organism to being damaged or burnt. But is it pain? Hard to say?
I gather the current consensus in science is that plants don't feel pain in anything like the same way as sentient beings do, plants having no nervous system or brain. Plants might have complex electrical and chemical signalling reactions to damage, and those reactions might bear some superficial resemblance to animal damage-response systems, but that's not really evidence of pain as such.
If they ever did get hard evidence for plants feeling pain, it would mean that humans can't survive without inflicting anguish on other life forms. The books on morality would have to be rewritten. All those vegans and animal rights activists would have been wasting their time. Nobody would stand a cat in hell's chance of living a fairly harmless life. As far as I'm concerned, this "sin" concept is synonymous with "harm." So for a claim with such a potentially profound effect on humanity as this "plants feel pain" notion, I think it best to wait for much better evidence of its veracity than we currently have.
If I remember right, he dropped live shrimps into boiling water in front of the plants, and recorded a little blip on his polygraph every time a shrimp was killed, and then he suggested that it meant plants feel anguish or empathy. Or something like that. Definitely deserved the Ig Nobel prize.
Sounds correct. In higher animals the pain response requires processing the signal in a brain. But the multicellular response in plants to damage (being cut or infection) is probably an evolved biological adaptation where plants with this capacity to respond take over faster.
Similar Topics | |
---|---|
Eating Less Meat & More Plants May Be A Key To A Healthy Gut |
14 Jan 2025, 8:00 pm |
Joint pain |
15 Mar 2025, 10:44 pm |
Why does it feel like everyone's doing the same thing? |
06 Apr 2025, 11:03 am |
i feel inhuman
in Bipolar, Tourettes, Schizophrenia, and other Psychological Conditions |
18 Jan 2025, 8:14 pm |