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08 Mar 2025, 2:37 pm

As time goes on, I've become more convinced that I would be happy as being a hermit or a recluse. It's like I just can't deal with the world anymore and socially I am getting worse as times goes on.

The expectations of the workplace just seem to make things tougher and tougher. Getting up, getting ready and going in. Then dealing with so many different people, rules, unspoken rules, and the company changing rules on a whim. The whole " do more with less " and endless corporate BS.

Society in general- Political tribalism, public places being too crowded/noisy/ and chaotic, endless news cycle, and other stuff.

Social expectations- I seem to be getting harder. Family annoyed with me for not visiting them, but they live 800 miles away. Meaning taking off work, getting on a plane, and then having to do the same going back, then needing time to recover from the whole thing.

Most of my life I feel like I've had to put others before me. With Ex-friends, Ex's, and to an extent family. I'm done and over it. Catering to people, spending my money, and the like.

Outside of work, these days I just prefer to stay at home. At home I feel much less stressed, not obligated to please others, can be as weird as I want, and not have anyone nitpicking me.

Honestly, I could spend weeks at home alone and be very happy. No co-workers or nonsense to deal with. Just me alone all the time.

Maybe someday....


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09 Mar 2025, 9:26 am

I totally hear you man


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09 Mar 2025, 12:01 pm

Thanks Babybird!


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09 Mar 2025, 12:58 pm

Yes, I'm retired and don't have to go anywhere.

Well, except for jury duty. Thankfully I was excused and didn't have to leave the house.



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15 Mar 2025, 7:13 pm

King Kat 1 wrote:
As time goes on, I've become more convinced that I would be happy as being a hermit or a recluse. It's like I just can't deal with the world anymore and socially I am getting worse as times goes on.

The expectations of the workplace just seem to make things tougher and tougher. Getting up, getting ready and going in. Then dealing with so many different people, rules, unspoken rules, and the company changing rules on a whim. The whole " do more with less " and endless corporate BS.

Society in general- Political tribalism, public places being too crowded/noisy/ and chaotic, endless news cycle, and other stuff.

Social expectations- I seem to be getting harder. Family annoyed with me for not visiting them, but they live 800 miles away. Meaning taking off work, getting on a plane, and then having to do the same going back, then needing time to recover from the whole thing.

Most of my life I feel like I've had to put others before me. With Ex-friends, Ex's, and to an extent family. I'm done and over it. Catering to people, spending my money, and the like.

Outside of work, these days I just prefer to stay at home. At home I feel much less stressed, not obligated to please others, can be as weird as I want, and not have anyone nitpicking me.

Honestly, I could spend weeks at home alone and be very happy. No co-workers or nonsense to deal with. Just me alone all the time.

Maybe someday....


Yup, completely understandable.

I think many people agree with you.

If only there weren’t any bills to pay…the world would look a whole lot better. :)



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15 Mar 2025, 9:36 pm

What if we made an Aspie country? No normies or if they exist, we diagnose them and give them accommodations (see below). Most work places would be virtual if possible. Those that are in-person are tailored to avoid social bs and consider sensory stuff. All public bathrooms would be genderless individual stalls. Barely anyone would drive because you know we'd have the world's best mass transit. In fact, all the systems would be world renown for their optimization. Parties would be like that party in Atypical where the music was over the headphones. The zoo would be on another level of informative with the best infodumps. I want to live there rn. Let's gooooo!

Normie accommodations:
- Loud chaos rooms with background noises like lawn mowers, people talking, traffic, airplanes, and sirens. To leave, you have to make an announcement, and then talk to someone about leaving or future plans for at least 5 mins.
- Areas where small talk and eye contact is considered appropriate
- Their store at the mall would be called "It's Great to See You!"
- The schools will have accommodations requiring teachers to "summarize the material" for them so that can just pass



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15 Mar 2025, 11:30 pm

^Good idea


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16 Mar 2025, 1:37 am

I think I’d be happy as a hermit. I’ve spent some many years as a sort of recluse. It was nice, looking back on it.

As for an Aspie country. Let’s do an Aspie state. The State of Mind.



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16 Mar 2025, 7:58 am

Participant626 wrote:
What if we made an Aspie country? No normies or if they exist, we diagnose them and give them accommodations (see below). Most work places would be virtual if possible. Those that are in-person are tailored to avoid social bs and consider sensory stuff. All public bathrooms would be genderless individual stalls. Barely anyone would drive because you know we'd have the world's best mass transit. In fact, all the systems would be world renown for their optimization. Parties would be like that party in Atypical where the music was over the headphones. The zoo would be on another level of informative with the best infodumps. I want to live there rn. Let's gooooo!

Normie accommodations:
- Loud chaos rooms with background noises like lawn mowers, people talking, traffic, airplanes, and sirens. To leave, you have to make an announcement, and then talk to someone about leaving or future plans for at least 5 mins.
- Areas where small talk and eye contact is considered appropriate
- Their store at the mall would be called "It's Great to See You!"
- The schools will have accommodations requiring teachers to "summarize the material" for them so that can just pass


That is an awesome idea, and some Autistics have contemplated doing just that on a piece of territory between Serbia and Croatia that was unoccupied (Gornja Siga), which they claimed was terra nullius. The problem is that it was already claimed by some libertarian Czechs and turned into "Liberland". Another option I saw was Bar Tawil (the border area between Egypt and Sudan), but that area is too arid. But IMHO, what would also be great is to have a sort of Charles Xavier's school for gifted individuals, adapted for autistics, but on a much bigger scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland


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16 Mar 2025, 1:07 pm

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Participant626 wrote:
What if we made an Aspie country? No normies or if they exist, we diagnose them and give them accommodations (see below). Most work places would be virtual if possible. Those that are in-person are tailored to avoid social bs and consider sensory stuff. All public bathrooms would be genderless individual stalls. Barely anyone would drive because you know we'd have the world's best mass transit. In fact, all the systems would be world renown for their optimization. Parties would be like that party in Atypical where the music was over the headphones. The zoo would be on another level of informative with the best infodumps. I want to live there rn. Let's gooooo!

Normie accommodations:
- Loud chaos rooms with background noises like lawn mowers, people talking, traffic, airplanes, and sirens. To leave, you have to make an announcement, and then talk to someone about leaving or future plans for at least 5 mins.
- Areas where small talk and eye contact is considered appropriate
- Their store at the mall would be called "It's Great to See You!"
- The schools will have accommodations requiring teachers to "summarize the material" for them so that can just pass


That is an awesome idea, and some Autistics have contemplated doing just that on a piece of territory between Serbia and Croatia that was unoccupied (Gornja Siga), which they claimed was terra nullius. The problem is that it was already claimed by some libertarian Czechs and turned into "Liberland". Another option I saw was Bar Tawil (the border area between Egypt and Sudan), but that area is too arid. But IMHO, what would also be great is to have a sort of Charles Xavier's school for gifted individuals, adapted for autistics, but on a much bigger scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland


I wondered the same thing regarding the fictional X Men school becoming a reality. But when I read the history of the Xavier school I abandoned the idea because of a seemingly foreboding message. The school endured constant war and burned to the ground and rebuilt so many times that I lost count in the series. That forced me to reconsider.

In reality the general NT population hasn’t been tolerant of different people creating their own communities or tribes. History hasn’t been kind to us.

Still, I like the idea of a place where everyone belongs and where everyone is accepted just as he/she/they are. Without discrimination, exclusion or bias.



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16 Mar 2025, 1:31 pm

Stargazer99 wrote:
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Participant626 wrote:
What if we made an Aspie country? No normies or if they exist, we diagnose them and give them accommodations (see below). Most work places would be virtual if possible. Those that are in-person are tailored to avoid social bs and consider sensory stuff. All public bathrooms would be genderless individual stalls. Barely anyone would drive because you know we'd have the world's best mass transit. In fact, all the systems would be world renown for their optimization. Parties would be like that party in Atypical where the music was over the headphones. The zoo would be on another level of informative with the best infodumps. I want to live there rn. Let's gooooo!

Normie accommodations:
- Loud chaos rooms with background noises like lawn mowers, people talking, traffic, airplanes, and sirens. To leave, you have to make an announcement, and then talk to someone about leaving or future plans for at least 5 mins.
- Areas where small talk and eye contact is considered appropriate
- Their store at the mall would be called "It's Great to See You!"
- The schools will have accommodations requiring teachers to "summarize the material" for them so that can just pass


That is an awesome idea, and some Autistics have contemplated doing just that on a piece of territory between Serbia and Croatia that was unoccupied (Gornja Siga), which they claimed was terra nullius. The problem is that it was already claimed by some libertarian Czechs and turned into "Liberland". Another option I saw was Bar Tawil (the border area between Egypt and Sudan), but that area is too arid. But IMHO, what would also be great is to have a sort of Charles Xavier's school for gifted individuals, adapted for autistics, but on a much bigger scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland


I wondered the same thing regarding the fictional X Men school becoming a reality. But when I read the history of the Xavier school I abandoned the idea because of a seemingly foreboding message. The school endured constant war and burned to the ground and rebuilt so many times that I lost count in the series. That forced me to reconsider.

In reality the general NT population hasn’t been tolerant of different people creating their own communities or tribes. History hasn’t been kind to us.

Still, I like the idea of a place where everyone belongs and where everyone is accepted just as he/she/they are. Without discrimination, exclusion or bias.


Yes, true all that. But, yes, it would be nice to have a place like that, safe to be who we are, and trained to develop our unique skills. This is why I like to watch Marvel movies. At least there, the mutants can defend themselves. Here, we're like mutants who can't defend themselves and are at the mercy of the NT population.


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16 Mar 2025, 3:19 pm

Bestiola wrote:

That is an awesome idea, and some Autistics have contemplated doing just that on a piece of territory between Serbia and Croatia that was unoccupied (Gornja Siga), which they claimed was terra nullius. The problem is that it was already claimed by some libertarian Czechs and turned into "Liberland". Another option I saw was Bar Tawil (the border area between Egypt and Sudan), but that area is too arid. But IMHO, what would also be great is to have a sort of Charles Xavier's school for gifted individuals, adapted for autistics, but on a much bigger scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland



Here, we're like mutants who can't defend themselves and are at the mercy of the NT population.


Thanks! Like you said, the land is a major obstacle rn. Maybe our wealthier and more politically connected autistics could get us some land. I’m thinking we could just take Wyoming. It’s the lest dense populous state, has plains so we could grow food and mountains to live in. The weather is seasonal, so that might be a drawback, but we can work together to be collectively adaptive. There’s the Yellowstone Caldera, so I’m sure a few of use could figure out how to get electricity out of the geothermal stuff without messing up the environment. Also, it’s near the middle of the US, so the US would provide military defense, while we provide something else back like science, art, tech, international student exchanges, or whatever. We’d still need a good border patrol to keep the bullies out though. Perhaps, we can use some tech to track and intervene humanely. By the way, everyone would naturally learn Esperanto as the universal language, but people would be free to speak whatever languages they want.

Work places could all be constitutional democracies, while industries and the larger economy is coordinated through federations. We’d have a Department of Abilities that helps people accomplish and contribute however they can and want.

I like your idea of our own educational system. We could develop interest-based education. Visualize this...Legos in every school, organized into containers by color and size. Wowwwww. Science and art class separate? Why when they're the same thing? Embrace and understand the undertones of our universe from the perspectives of all the areas of our brains to create an emergence from comprehensive synergy. Our country would be pumping out Mozarts in all domains every few years instead of a once-in-a-humanity anomaly, triggering a Neorenaissance: a rebirth of new ideas that never existed. lol :lol:

Linux (felt like I had to include that somehow).

Theeeee best museums with tiered educational tours. You'd learn so much on your visits!

Infodump open-mic nights and parties! Can you imagine coming home on a Friday night after learning how rice goes from the farm to the grocery store from someone that is passionate about it??

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Still, I like the idea of a place where everyone belongs and where everyone is accepted just as he/she/they are. Without discrimination, exclusion or bias.


Me too! You can just show up without having to think about it. Invitations and public announcements would have important information, such as recommended attire (using a standardized model with ranges of acceptance to provide guidance yet allow for unique authenticity at the same time, ofc), how long it is expected to last, expected sensory amplitudes, and prohibited topics. If someone inadvertently does something considered “inappropriate”, people can go up to the person without blame or anger, just kindness, education, and direct suggestions. Imagine that!

Any other ideas?

Okay, this is doable. Anyone know autistic people with some power than haven’t lost their connection with humanity yet? What about the co-founder of Google; what’s he up to? Anyone else?

What would we call it?



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16 Mar 2025, 3:31 pm

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Yes, true all that. But, yes, it would be nice to have a place like that, safe to be who we are, and trained to develop our unique skills. This is why I like to watch Marvel movies. At least there, the mutants can defend themselves. Here, we're like mutants who can't defend themselves and are at the mercy of the NT population.


I feel like a mutant too. Or an alien. Or a futurist’s test subject.

Or maybe I’m simply living in the wrong dimension. lol

If I were a Marvel character my skin color would change like a chameleon. All the colors of the spectrum. That’s how I feel so it seems only natural that my physical appearance should reflect that.

Maybe one day…when biotech catches up with each neurodivergent brain.



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16 Mar 2025, 3:42 pm

Participant626 wrote:
Bestiola wrote:

That is an awesome idea, and some Autistics have contemplated doing just that on a piece of territory between Serbia and Croatia that was unoccupied (Gornja Siga), which they claimed was terra nullius. The problem is that it was already claimed by some libertarian Czechs and turned into "Liberland". Another option I saw was Bar Tawil (the border area between Egypt and Sudan), but that area is too arid. But IMHO, what would also be great is to have a sort of Charles Xavier's school for gifted individuals, adapted for autistics, but on a much bigger scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland



Here, we're like mutants who can't defend themselves and are at the mercy of the NT population.


Thanks! Like you said, the land is a major obstacle rn. Maybe our wealthier and more politically connected autistics could get us some land. I’m thinking we could just take Wyoming. It’s the lest dense populous state, has plains so we could grow food and mountains to live in. The weather is seasonal, so that might be a drawback, but we can work together to be collectively adaptive. There’s the Yellowstone Caldera, so I’m sure a few of use could figure out how to get electricity out of the geothermal stuff without messing up the environment. Also, it’s near the middle of the US, so the US would provide military defense, while we provide something else back like science, art, tech, international student exchanges, or whatever. We’d still need a good border patrol to keep the bullies out though. Perhaps, we can use some tech to track and intervene humanely. By the way, everyone would naturally learn Esperanto as the universal language, but people would be free to speak whatever languages they want.

Work places could all be constitutional democracies, while industries and the larger economy is coordinated through federations. We’d have a Department of Abilities that helps people accomplish and contribute however they can and want.

I like your idea of our own educational system. We could develop interest-based education. Visualize this...Legos in every school, organized into containers by color and size. Wowwwww. Science and art class separate? Why when they're the same thing? Embrace and understand the undertones of our universe from the perspectives of all the areas of our brains to create an emergence from comprehensive synergy. Our country would be pumping out Mozarts in all domains every few years instead of a once-in-a-humanity anomaly, triggering a Neorenaissance: a rebirth of new ideas that never existed. lol :lol:

Linux (felt like I had to include that somehow).

Theeeee best museums with tiered educational tours. You'd learn so much on your visits!

Infodump open-mic nights and parties! Can you imagine coming home on a Friday night after learning how rice goes from the farm to the grocery store from someone that is passionate about it??

Stargazer99 wrote:
Still, I like the idea of a place where everyone belongs and where everyone is accepted just as he/she/they are. Without discrimination, exclusion or bias.


Me too! You can just show up without having to think about it. Invitations and public announcements would have important information, such as recommended attire (using a standardized model with ranges of acceptance to provide guidance yet allow for unique authenticity at the same time, ofc), how long it is expected to last, expected sensory amplitudes, and prohibited topics. If someone inadvertently does something considered “inappropriate”, people can go up to the person without blame or anger, just kindness, education, and direct suggestions. Imagine that!

Any other ideas?

Okay, this is doable. Anyone know autistic people with some power than haven’t lost their connection with humanity yet? What about the co-founder of Google; what’s he up to? Anyone else?

What would we call it?


A place where nonverbal autistics can feel empowered to communicate too via advancements in tech communication. No one will exclude them or talk down to them as if they are children. I hear them and they DO NOT like that at all. They understand everything and need to be included as valued individuals with valuable input. With a supportive, understanding peer group.



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Thanks! Like you said, the land is a major obstacle rn. Maybe our wealthier and more politically connected autistics could get us some land. I’m thinking we could just take Wyoming. It’s the lest dense populous state, has plains so we could grow food and mountains to live in. The weather is seasonal, so that might be a drawback, but we can work together to be collectively adaptive. There’s the Yellowstone Caldera, so I’m sure a few of use could figure out how to get electricity out of the geothermal stuff without messing up the environment. Also, it’s near the middle of the US, so the US would provide military defense, while we provide something else back like science, art, tech, international student exchanges, or whatever. We’d still need a good border patrol to keep the bullies out though. Perhaps, we can use some tech to track and intervene humanely. By the way, everyone would naturally learn Esperanto as the universal language, but people would be free to speak whatever languages they want.

Work places could all be constitutional democracies, while industries and the larger economy is coordinated through federations. We’d have a Department of Abilities that helps people accomplish and contribute however they can and want.

I like your idea of our own educational system. We could develop interest-based education. Visualize this...Legos in every school, organized into containers by color and size. Wowwwww. Science and art class separate? Why when they're the same thing? Embrace and understand the undertones of our universe from the perspectives of all the areas of our brains to create an emergence from comprehensive synergy. Our country would be pumping out Mozarts in all domains every few years instead of a once-in-a-humanity anomaly, triggering a Neorenaissance: a rebirth of new ideas that never existed. lol :lol:

Linux (felt like I had to include that somehow).

Theeeee best museums with tiered educational tours. You'd learn so much on your visits!

Infodump open-mic nights and parties! Can you imagine coming home on a Friday night after learning how rice goes from the farm to the grocery store from someone that is passionate about it??


Lol that all sounds great!

Linux user, here also! I think it'd be important to get rid of Microsoft there once and for all :skull:

Regarding education, yes exactly, I like how they had it in the Renaissance times, with polymathy everywhere. So yeah, education wouldn't be an outdated mess as it is now, a factory model school made in the 19th century but tailored for each individual based on their own interests and strengths. The department of abilities sounds great!

Regarding energy, solar panels could also be put on the roof. Yellowstone/Wyoming, sure! Regarding border patrols, there are indigenous tribes in South American forests who know how to hide from the outside world. It'd be great to know their secrets and be able to hide away.


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16 Mar 2025, 4:58 pm

Stargazer99 wrote:
Bestiola wrote:
Yes, true all that. But, yes, it would be nice to have a place like that, safe to be who we are, and trained to develop our unique skills. This is why I like to watch Marvel movies. At least there, the mutants can defend themselves. Here, we're like mutants who can't defend themselves and are at the mercy of the NT population.


I feel like a mutant too. Or an alien. Or a futurist’s test subject.

Or maybe I’m simply living in the wrong dimension. lol

If I were a Marvel character my skin color would change like a chameleon. All the colors of the spectrum. That’s how I feel so it seems only natural that my physical appearance should reflect that.

Maybe one day…when biotech catches up with each neurodivergent brain.


Yes, exactly, I don't feel like I'm the same species either. In a Marvel Universe, I'd like to be invisible. It seems like a perfect way to defend oneself without really trying hard.


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