Metaphysical considerations
I look at pigeons in the streets. They are very monotonous, foreseeable in their behavior, they look constantly for food, they clean their feathers, bathe in the fountains, and in some season the court mates an copulate. I wonder: what for? Are they machines? If they are machines, we also are machines, I have no doubt about it. I don’t think that we or they are machines. There was a French philosopher (LaMettrie) who wrote a book L’homme machine. I never took this machine thing seriously. But, all the same what are all this strenuous effort for, the pigeons’ and humans’. To leave a message? To whom? To win the eons long fight against the inorganic? Once this fight began in the primordial broth, it must go on for as long as possible. But what for? Not to produce joy, because joy is the fuel for this fight not the goal of the fight, whatever we are brought to believe.
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.
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Tesla thought people were meat machines. I tend to agree.
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/res/res_art10.html
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To feel alive. To feel. Must I put it into some kind of conscious thought? I allow myself this indulgence, I am that spoiled that I can afford to. It may be but an illusion, but I tell myself I feel with it, in my disillusionment. I feel good, I feel bad, no, I feel life. I can appreciate music, it can drive my soul. To what end? To feel life a little fuller, such an illusion. I like intense in my life, both the good and the bad terms that they say I must appreciate. Screw em. It's all good. I am alive. I can feel it.
The pidgin feels life. Doesn't need to put it into some thought, there is no illusion or disillusion. No philosophy needed. They don’t judge me and I don’t judge them.
Machine, a human made concept. It's a label to keep me non afraid of the dark. Perhaps a stone is a machine. What does it produce? Itself, when fuel is added. Or perhaps another pidgin. Or perhaps a thought.
Why must there always be a reason. Reason, such a human concept. It is a label to keep me afraid of the dark.
Now that was a fun, lost, ramble. Made me feel alive.
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Just enjoy what you do, as best you can, and let the dog out once in a while.
If I had never experienced bliss, I couldn't go on with this seeming senseless striving. The fact that on an other intellettualistic level I deem that this is all an expedient of evolution to keep us working, for incomprehensible goals, does not prevent me from enjoying bliss when it comes, perhaps in unforeseeable instants. Probably this is what religious people call faith and what in a black humor translation Beckett means with his "Waiting fo Godot".
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.
--Samuel Beckett
Personally don't believe there is a point/purpose beyond perpetuation of life-which includes the opposite, destruction & death-which make way for & provide raw material for new life. My choices are not to individually participate in making more like me (procreating), but as a species overall we do this. We make & unmake ourselves every moment (on some level)-as do galaxies, black holes, starfish, coral, dust mites, rhinoviruses, etc. "Joy" or pleasure is a side-effect of this seeking, a method that biology has used as tool to coerce us into reproduction & preservation of self (or beingness over nothingness). I greatly enjoy this side-effect, though-it contains most of what I find worthwhile in life, such as pursuit of knowledge and appreciation of words & pictures.
I don't know what the overarching theme or goal of all creation (past & future, microscopically & macrocosmically) is-nor do I subscribe to the beliefs that others provide (which involve an uber-being & spiritual religious forces). I live in the "here now", according to what makes sense to me as an individual human.
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Your observations are quite accurate.
Most organisms and even most humans behave like blind mechanisms,that have only one goal- indefinite repetition.
If we see most ordinary humans and their interests and goals,we can see that they are same.Same stories,same lives.
Ordinary,average man is basically the same,as ordinary average man in Roman empire.
However human society changes through time,while animal society do not have history.
It is interesting to see that humans have history,although average humans are basically unchangeable there is indeed advance in sciences,technologies and arts.
Now,if most humans are just boring,average creatures,how come that history changes rapidly?
Because there is small group of people that are not average,and that are above basic animal instincts of major human mass.
These people push world forward.
Only humans have possibility to rise above pure instincts and to change world around them.
But most humans,like all animals remain on this basic instinctive level of indefinite repetition.
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The mere fact that you asked question:"what for?",is evidence that you are not animal,since animals never question their motives.
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Jack Torrance
Only humans have possibility to rise above pure instincts and to change world around them.
I think that we don’t rise above instincts but only that we “pervert” them through artifice.
Predation. Predation is an instinct for survival, we enjoy having success in hunting, but if we dispose of technical artifact to hunt more successfully (weaponry), we hunt more than we need, or hunt for fun, we hunt for weaker populations (Africans) to enslave them.
Sex: is the most instinctive activity, but if we have money (an artifice) we buy sex in all varieties as a luxury commodity.
The possibility to change the environment is also the possibility to devastate it, and it is what humans have already done.
The living world is made of equilibriums that we alter and destroy through “artificial” easy shortcuts.
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--Samuel Beckett
The living world is made of equilibriums that we alter and destroy through “artificial” easy shortcuts.
Thing is that each of us has differing idea of which alterations of our environment (creating, destroying, modifying) are appropriate, desirable, and necessary. Technology (incl. conceptual not just physical "advances") is double-edged sword, bringing with it new "solutions" but also many new problems which exceed our willingness or ability to address them in timely manner.
We (humans) notice structures (changes in what is) but often are oblivious to processes (how things got that way). We seem to comprehend past yet remain unaware how our future is being set in motion by our present choices.
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But are there choices wich can really be attributed to us? or is it that we transported by processes tha are out of control?
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I'm the guy operating the machine. I don't remember ever doing anything else, so it's what I do.
I suspect the pigeons are the same.
The "equilibriums" in the natural world are so dynamic I'm not sure the word applies. The natural world's been a little crazy lately. What, four or five major ice ages in the last million years, alternating with periods warmer than the present. It seems stable to us like it seems stable to the butterflies.
North America until recently had large mammals that outdid modern Africa. They say it was paleoindian hunters, like people with homemade spears wiped out mammoths and mastodons and rhinos, or climate change, like a continent that's largely grassland and desert would see the extinction of horses and camels.
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They murdered boys in Mississippi. They shot Medgar in the back.
Did you say that wasn't proper? Did you march out on the track?
You were quiet, just like mice. And now you say that we're not nice.
Well thank you buddy for your advice...
-Malvina
In essence: what's the meaning of life?
Well, that's the big question, n'est-ce-pas? Godot never comes, so maybe Beckett is saying that there is no meaning to the madness. We live, wait, love, wait, argue, wait, die. For pigeons, the goal is to die old--to stay on top of their food chain. Getting eaten alive by polar bears or tigers seems like the worst way to go. So we want to avoid that. Best way? Die old. Gather plenty of resources (including offspring) while you still can, so that you'll be well-provided for when you can't anymore.
I think of machines as products of invention, so in that sense, pigeons aren't machines. Today, however, a lot of humans might be.
Lastly: is life a fight? Probably more for humans than any other animal. Lions seem to sleep a lot. Bonobos have a lot of sex. Butterflies flutter. Humans...our imbalances have created lots of struggle for many, much less for others. Language and greed, not reason or opposable thumbs, are the biggest culprits.
If we just consumed what we needed and did what we wanted (like Bonobos), instead of worrying and thinking so much, the world would be better off. (But I'm a hypocrite.)
Moral of the story: don't get eaten by a bear.

Thanks. This thread needed a little laughter.
Nothing to add at the moment, just musing the same subject.
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The machine does not isolate man from the great problems of nature but plunges him more deeply into them. -Antoine de Saint Exupéry
Found these quotes in my journal, dated 10/26/03.
At first I thought these were pointless and irrelevent questions. I thought that the answers to them were well known and that if I should ever want to resolve them, it would not be too hard for me; it was just that I could not be bothered with it now, but if I should take it upon myself, then I would find the answers. But the questions began to come up more and more frequently, and their demands to be answered became more and more urgent . . .
The questions seemed to be such foolish, simple, childish questions. But as soon as I laid my hands on them and tried to resolve them, I was immediately convinced, first of all, that they were not childish and foolish questions but the most vital and profound questions in life, and, secondly, that no matter how much I pondered them there was no way I could resolve them.
Before I could be occupied with my Samara estate, with the education of my son, or with the writing of books, I had to know why I was doing these things. As long as I do not know the reason why, I cannot do anything. In the middle of my concern with the household, which at the time kept me quite busy, a questions would suddenly come into my head: 'Very well, you will have 16,200 acres in the Samara province, as well as 300 horses; what then?' And I was completely taken aback and did not know what else to think. As soon as I started to think about the education of my children, I would ask myself, 'Why?' Or I would reflect on how the people might attain prosperity, and I would suddenly ask myself, 'What concern is it of mine?' Or in the middle of thinking about the fame that my works were bringing me I would say to myself, 'Very well, you will be more famous than Gogol, Pushkin, Shakespear, Moliere, more famous than all the writers in the world - so what?'
And I could find absolutely no reply.
My life came to a stop. I could breathe, eat, drink, and sleep; indeed, I could not help but breathe, eat, drink, and sleep. But there was no life in me because I had no desires whose satisfaction I would have found reasonable. If I wanted something, I knew beforehand that it did not matter whether or not I got it.
If a fairy had come and offered to fulfill my every wish, I would not have known what to wish for. If in moments of intoxication I should have not desires but the habits of old desires, in moments of sobriety I knew that it was all a desulsion, that I really desired nothing. I did not even want to discover truth anymore because I had guessed what it was. The truth was that life is meaningless . . .
The only thing that amazed me was how I had failed to realize this in the very beginning. All this had been common knowledge for so long. If not today, then tomorrow sickness and death will come (indeed, they were already approaching) to everyone, to me, and nothing will remain except the stench and the worms. My deeds, whatever they may be, will be forgotten sooner or later, and I myself will be no more. Why, then, do anything? How can anyone fail to see this and live? That's what is amazing! It is possible to live only as long as life intoxicates us; once we are sober we cannot help seeing that it is all a delusion, a stupid delusion! Nor is there anything funny or witty about it; it is only cruel and stupid.
Death, freedom, and isolation must be grappled with directly. Yet when it comes to meaninglessness, the effective therapist must help patients to look away from the question: to embrace the solution of engagement rather than to plunge in and through the problem of meaninglessness. The question of meaning in life is, as the Buddha taught, not edifying. One must immerse oneself in the river of life and let the question drift away.
This continues without stop, and every day of every year they are busy doing the same thing. One day, one of the morons stops long enough to ask himself what he is doing. He wonders what purpose there is in carrying the bricks. And from that instant on he is not quite as content with his occupation as he had been before.
I am the moron who wonders why he is carrying the bricks.
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The machine does not isolate man from the great problems of nature but plunges him more deeply into them. -Antoine de Saint Exupéry
Well for one thing, pigeons mate for life and don't desert their young, which is something that we, as humans could probably learn a thing or two from - http://www.birds.cornell.edu/programs/u ... hipEN.html