Should we pull support from Israel?

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08 Sep 2007, 4:42 pm

israel is the root of why the terrorists hate us. their lobbyists are the only nation that has more lobbyists than most commercial interests, and they've dragged us into more wars than we ever should have been a part of.

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08 Sep 2007, 4:43 pm

They need to stand on their own two feet.

Israel is a country sized parasite on the side of America.

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08 Sep 2007, 5:04 pm

but we cant leave gods chosen nation, common you guys. (sarcasm)

televangalists& the republican party are only making it worse. no relief is in sight

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08 Sep 2007, 5:38 pm

Look, I don't hate the jews but I don't see why we have to defend them. They should have picked their holy land in a safer area. :wink: In all seriousness, I simply don't think that their battles are really ours.

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08 Sep 2007, 5:47 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

Look, I don't hate the jews but I don't see why we have to defend them. They should have picked their holy land in a safer area. :wink:

In all seriousness, I simply don't think that their battles are really ours.

it's not "the jews" it's israel. it's a country, not a religion.

just like iran is a country and not "the muslims". in fact before we put in the ayatollah, the government was relatively secular and moving more towards secularism....same with in recent years.....though our own actions and support for israel pushes others to join radical islamic groups.

if israel were "the jews" then we wouldn't have hollywood, nyc, or florida (which is mostly an extension of nyc).

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08 Sep 2007, 5:48 pm

If I could go back a few years I'd have stopped them from creating israel in the first place. As it is now, it's a hard one to answer.

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08 Sep 2007, 6:06 pm

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Not really that concerned, I know that Israel isn't 100% Jewish and that not all Jews are Israeli, but the nation was founded on the idea of a Jewish nation and the flag does contain a Star of David, which is a symbol of the Jews. What I said was incorrect, but I was not answering in my big, deep, serious tone. :wink:

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08 Sep 2007, 6:08 pm

No. We should try and mediate with all sides, and find a permanent solution to the mess in the middle east. Only then will there be peace.

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08 Sep 2007, 6:09 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

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yeah. i understand that...but i'm against the idea of refering to it as the jews because then it comes off as "kill all the jews" and there's many jewish people i love dearly and would never want harmed. i just think that israel doesn't have the right to exist as a country. i think the people should be allowed to be evacuated to safety in europe or in the US and the rest should be left to fend for themselves.....and take away their nukes, too.

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08 Sep 2007, 6:15 pm

skafather84 wrote:

If I could let someone decide what to do about israel, I'd choose your idea. I'd hate to take reponsibility for a decision like that though.

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08 Sep 2007, 6:15 pm

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No. We should try and mediate with all sides, and find a permanent solution to the mess in the middle east. Only then will there be peace.

You are right, we need a final solution.

Apologies people, I do have a sick sense of humor and some pessimism about diplomacy in the middle east. I probably should restrain my twisted humor but I don't feel like it.

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08 Sep 2007, 6:26 pm

TechnoMonk wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

If I could let someone decide what to do about israel, I'd choose your idea. I'd hate to take reponsibility for a decision like that though.

it's not an easy decision but it's the most correct one so far.

at least in theory.

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08 Sep 2007, 6:30 pm

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politic ... gn-aid.htm

Egypt's a country that signed a peace treaty with Israel an gets alot aid from the US to. Jordan is fairly moderate not sure if they
signed a treaty with Israel but they get alot aid relative to their
size to.

The people who have a problem with Israel are the same ones
who would have major problems with the US. I'm for continued support of Israel.

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08 Sep 2007, 6:36 pm

They should take that $50bn they gave to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Egypt and give it back to the USA's middle class and poor working class.

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08 Sep 2007, 8:33 pm

skafather84 wrote:

i just think that israel doesn't have the right to exist as a country. i think the people should be allowed to be evacuated to safety in europe or in the US and the rest should be left to fend for themselves.....and take away their nukes, too.

There's one problem with that. A lot of people seem to have forgotten that Israel bought the land around Old Jerusalem from the Palestinians fair and square. The residents of Israel should at least expect some serious reperations if they are forced to evacuate the area. It's too much to expect Israel to give up their nukes and their land for free. Their nukes are the only deterrent keeping the surrounding Muslim ruled countries to formally attempt genocide of the Jews in the area rather than just send suicide bombers. Palestine did sell them the land. The real problem is that Israel is in the right, but the rest of the countries in the Middle East have so much control of the oil supplies that George Bush and the leadership in Europe is afraid not to give Palestine exactly what they want because they are afraid of an oil shortage.

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08 Sep 2007, 8:53 pm

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