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20 Sep 2007, 11:56 pm

May the Goddess and the God bestow blessings unto you. Hope Mabon goes well for all.

Blessed Be.


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21 Sep 2007, 10:57 pm

Never practiced Wicca. The whole "no curses" thing is not too attractive to me, i'm too much of a bastard :twisted:
Perhaps in one of my next paradigim shifts.
But isn't the Equinox on the 23rd this year?


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21 Sep 2007, 11:21 pm

"An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will"
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21 Sep 2007, 11:22 pm

*is confused*


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21 Sep 2007, 11:51 pm

Flagg wrote:
*is confused*


the Wiccan Rede: An it harm none, do what ye will
seems to be Gerald Gardners take on Crowley's "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Law"
It is usally interpreted as forbiding spells intended to harm, i.e. curses...


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22 Sep 2007, 1:23 am

BeyondInfinity wrote:
Flagg wrote:
*is confused*


the Wiccan Rede: An it harm none, do what ye will
seems to be Gerald Gardners take on Crowley's "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Law"
It is usally interpreted as forbiding spells intended to harm, i.e. curses...


I'm impressed! Someone that actually knows Crowley and his work(Gardner too)! He is both a genius and an interesting study. But, nevertheless, he was also a whacked-out drug addicted pedophile. His earlier works during his time, as well after, as a G:.D:. initiate are brilliant.
Gardnerwas known to mix a bit of the Kabbalah in w/ his Wiccan practices. Hence, the Crowley influence...


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22 Sep 2007, 1:35 am

The biggest problem that I had with
Wicca, was the formalization, and
community spirit. I've always sought
mine own path.



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22 Sep 2007, 2:19 am

Quirky_Girl72 wrote:
I'm impressed! Someone that actually knows Crowley and his work(Gardner too)! He is both a genius and an interesting study. But, nevertheless, he was also a whacked-out drug addicted pedophile. His earlier works during his time, as well after, as a G:.D:. initiate are brilliant.
Gardnerwas known to mix a bit of the Kabbalah in w/ his Wiccan practices. Hence, the Crowley influence...


I am fairly well read in this area. I practice a Chaos approach which advocates contstant belief/systemic changes. the abandonment of the search for the "true self" and the acceptance of the shifting "many selves". His work with the Golden Dawn and later the A:.A:. and O.T.O. can be somewhat rambling, dogmatic, and pretentious. He is however the father of modern magick. His life however I find more Important than his work, he was a prototype for the infinite paradigm shift. how may Crowley's were there? he was an elegant womanizer, and a poor bohemian, a proponent of womens rights, and a beater of women, the drug addict and the asian yogi... the list goes on and on. all attempt to categorize this man to this day have failed, just as he wanted it.


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22 Sep 2007, 6:21 am

I'm (probably) related to S.L. MacGregor Mathers, one of the founders of the GD and Crowley's former mentor.

Personally, I think Wicca isn't internally consistent enough to be a working theosphere that takes itself seriously, but then I don't trust any belief system that takes itself seriously.



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22 Sep 2007, 9:35 am

Great, so I'm not the only aspie chaote here 8)

Did you roll your D6 for your paradigm this morning? :P



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22 Sep 2007, 10:34 am

Crowley has nothing to do with wiccan practices, although Im not sticking up for wicca either mind you.
What he did in the end was a ritual which was supposed to summon demons (not for his own sake, but for "christs sake"). For all those who look up to his work he did it all to be a traitor, nothing more. I watched a documentary and read about it, so f**k you if you want to argue with me.



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22 Sep 2007, 11:37 am

Coyote27 wrote:
I'm (probably) related to S.L. MacGregor Mathers, one of the founders of the GD and Crowley's former mentor.

that's sweet Coyote, Mathers work is interesting as well. I find it funny how Crowley and Mathers had such a nasty falling out with the dispersal of the Golden Dawn. they acted like Discordian Popes (excommunicate each other). :lol:
Supposedly, I'm decended from Pocahantas... :roll:

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Great, so I'm not the only aspie chaote here 8)

good thing to know... nice to meet you current incarnation :jester:


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Did you roll your D6 for your paradigm this morning? :P

With all respect to Peter Carroll and such, I'd need a like D(infinity)


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For all those who look up to his work he did it all to be a traitor, nothing more. I watched a documentary and read about it, so f**k you if you want to argue with me.

Sure he did, he was true to nothing, not even himself. he played life as a game, like a selfish schizo child. he followed his sense of destiny and left a wake of destruction, suicide, and insanity in his path, few are strong enough to do this. I don't want to argue but documentaries and biographies are well known pits of bias. I prefer to continually draw my conclusions from my ever growing exposure to information (which is in an infinite flux), and never have a set and solid position, universal agnosticism is my modus operandi.


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22 Sep 2007, 8:48 pm

BeyondInfinity wrote:
Quirky_Girl72 wrote:
I'm impressed! Someone that actually knows Crowley and his work(Gardner too)! He is both a genius and an interesting study. But, nevertheless, he was also a whacked-out drug addicted pedophile. His earlier works during his time, as well after, as a G:.D:. initiate are brilliant.
Gardnerwas known to mix a bit of the Kabbalah in w/ his Wiccan practices. Hence, the Crowley influence...


I am fairly well read in this area. I practice a Chaos approach which advocates contstant belief/systemic changes. the abandonment of the search for the "true self" and the acceptance of the shifting "many selves". His work with the Golden Dawn and later the A:.A:. and O.T.O. can be somewhat rambling, dogmatic, and pretentious. He is however the father of modern magick. His life however I find more Important than his work, he was a prototype for the infinite paradigm shift. how may Crowley's were there? he was an elegant womanizer, and a poor bohemian, a proponent of womens rights, and a beater of women, the drug addict and the asian yogi... the list goes on and on. all attempt to categorize this man to this day have failed, just as he wanted it.


Well, Crowley has a tendency to be a bit of hypocrite. But, I stiill think some of his work is still genius.

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I'm (probably) related to S.L. MacGregor Mathers, one of the founders of the GD and Crowley's former mentor.

Personally, I think Wicca isn't internally consistent enough to be a working theosphere that takes itself seriously, but then I don't trust any belief system that takes itself seriously.


I know I am breaking the most fundamental Hermetic law, but I (or at least was) an initiate a one of the oldest G:.D:. Temples. Therefore, about the initiatory path, one can say that I am descendent of S.L. Mathers, as well as Crowley. My reasons for straying were due to some conflicts of interest and problems w/ authority (I know that is hard to believe). I have my own path that I follow now.
As far as Wicca is concerned, I must agree w/ you. One major reason is the onset of the 'new age feminist ' Wicca, which seems completely absurd to me. The use of masculine and the feminine energies are the very foundation of Wicca. It is a fertility religion after all!


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22 Sep 2007, 8:56 pm

BeyondInfinity wrote:
Coyote27 wrote:
I'm (probably) related to S.L. MacGregor Mathers, one of the founders of the GD and Crowley's former mentor.

that's sweet Coyote, Mathers work is interesting as well. I find it funny how Crowley and Mathers had such a nasty falling out with the dispersal of the Golden Dawn. they acted like Discordian Popes (excommunicate each other). :lol:
Supposedly, I'm decended from Pocahantas... :roll:

Brainsforbreakfast wrote:
Great, so I'm not the only aspie chaote here 8)

good thing to know... nice to meet you current incarnation :jester:


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Did you roll your D6 for your paradigm this morning? :P

With all respect to Peter Carroll and such, I'd need a like D(infinity)


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For all those who look up to his work he did it all to be a traitor, nothing more. I watched a documentary and read about it, so f**k you if you want to argue with me.

Sure he did, he was true to nothing, not even himself. he played life as a game, like a selfish schizo child. he followed his sense of destiny and left a wake of destruction, suicide, and insanity in his path, few are strong enough to do this. I don't want to argue but documentaries and biographies are well known pits of bias. I prefer to continually draw my conclusions from my ever growing exposure to information (which is in an infinite flux), and never have a set and solid position, universal agnosticism is my modus operandi.


One can not sum up Crowley, his work and intentions, from a documentory. Only one who has read his work and other's in relation to it (either for or against), can come up w/ even the slightest opinion. He's basically an enigma, who I don't think too many people can even come to understanding. In fact, I think it's almost impossible. I fell he wanted it that way...But what do I know :roll:


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22 Sep 2007, 10:01 pm

BeyondInfinity wrote:
Quirky_Girl72 wrote:
I'm impressed! Someone that actually knows Crowley and his work(Gardner too)! He is both a genius and an interesting study. But, nevertheless, he was also a whacked-out drug addicted pedophile. His earlier works during his time, as well after, as a G:.D:. initiate are brilliant.
Gardnerwas known to mix a bit of the Kabbalah in w/ his Wiccan practices. Hence, the Crowley influence...


I am fairly well read in this area. I practice a Chaos approach which advocates contstant belief/systemic changes. the abandonment of the search for the "true self" and the acceptance of the shifting "many selves". His work with the Golden Dawn and later the A:.A:. and O.T.O. can be somewhat rambling, dogmatic, and pretentious. He is however the father of modern magick. His life however I find more Important than his work, he was a prototype for the infinite paradigm shift. how may Crowley's were there? he was an elegant womanizer, and a poor bohemian, a proponent of womens rights, and a beater of women, the drug addict and the asian yogi... the list goes on and on. all attempt to categorize this man to this day have failed, just as he wanted it.



a chaote? one of my friends from florida is one. he's touched near the pinnacle once before....well the chaote pinnacle...whatever that nirvana type state is for you guys....



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22 Sep 2007, 10:07 pm

Brainsforbreakfast wrote:
Great, so I'm not the only aspie chaote here 8)

Did you roll your D6 for your paradigm this morning? :P



ooo two chaotes. this is interesting. of the other practices i find chaote the most interesting. mainly because it's the most reflective of the universe..."chaotic" but not really.